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  • ID: I13701
  • Name: Robert de CARDINAM & Blyngton 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1150 in Cardinham, Bodmin, Cornwall, England
  • Death: AFT 1186 in Restormel Castle, Bodardle, Cornwall, England
  • Note:
    I am not sure that this Robert is in Jay Cary's pedigree. He names him (or his son) as "Robert de Cardinan2, 1, 3", as this is the 2nd Robert (Robert FitzWilliam being the 1st), and "1, 3" may mean that there are potentially 3 Roberts in a row, as I have it.

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    I think that this excerpt from a post to SGM, 26 Sep 2002, by Ivor West, puts Robert in the pedigree, with a wife:

    From: Ivor West (inw AT freeuk.com)
    Subject: Re: Cardinan barony
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2002-09-26 07:59:41 PST

    Perhaps I should point out that the pedigree, which you will find on p.1012, contains an error in that Watkin shows Robert, son of Robert fitz William and Agnes Hay, married to Isabel, whereas Isabel was his sister. Her brother Robert fiz Robert died s.p. It was Robert de Cardinham whom she married. That is how the fees of Richard fitz Turold and Thurstan the Sheriff (the de la Haye progenitor) passed from fitzWilliam to Cardinham.

    Robert seems to be the first to use the name Cardinham and, as your extract relates, he gave it to the place called Thersent, held by Richard fitz Turold in DB, which Picken showed to be Trezance, now a farmstead in Cardinham parish. Robert's ancestry is fairly obscure. I have my own pet theory about it which I won't bother you with at the moment.

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    The following history of Restormel Castle was provided in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

    I can't vouch for it's accuracy, but perhaps this timeline will help in sorting things out:

    http://homepages.tesco.net/~k.wasley/Restormel.htm
    Restormel Castle. Cornwall. Restormel originally formed part of the manor of Bodardle.

    1086-Held by Turstin the Sheriff.
    1100-The castle was probably built by Turstin's son Baldwin Fitz Turstin.
    A later 12th century charter mentions the chapel beside Baldwin's Bridge: as this chapel is almost certainly the hermitage of the Holy Trinity which lay at the foot of the castle hill, it would seem that Baldwin bridged the river at this point, and he probably erected the castle to command the crossing.
    1166-Robert Fitz William, Lord of Cardinham, held Bodardle, as guardian of Walter Hai the younger.
    1186-Walter Hai the younger died without issue.
    Bodardle passed to Fitz William or his heirs in the right of Agnes his wife, sister of Walter Hai.
    1193-Both Cardinham and Bodardle had passed to Robert de Cardinan (grandson of Fitz William) before this year.
    Robert de Cardinan was a man of importance in the county, and later became one of the Kings Justices.
    1224-Robert de Cardinan was still alive.
    1227-By this year the estates had passed to Robert de Cardinan's son Andrew.
    On Andrew de Cardinan's death his daughter and heiress Isolda de Cardinan succeeded to the estates. She married Thomas de Tracy.
    1264-The earliest mention of the castle is its surrender by de Tracy in this year.
    1265-The declaration of seizure of the castle by Sir Thomas de Tracy that Sir Ralph Arundell sized Restormel from Simon de Montfort (this document is in the Arundel Archives).
    1270-Isolda de Cardinan granted the castle and certain lands to her over-lord Richard Earl of Cornwall and King of the Romans.
    1272-Earl Richard was succeeded by his son Edmund.
    -end excerpt-

    At this website if you go to People in History: Earl Richard, there is a discussion of how Earl Richard finessed/coerced Thomas de Tracy & Isolda dau of Andrew de Cardinan/Cardinham to alienate their property.

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Robert FitzWilliam de CARDINAM , of Cotleigh b: ABT 1115 in Cotleigh, Devon, England
    Mother: Annora de MANDEVILLE b: ABT 1120 in England

    Marriage 1 Agnes de la HAYE b: ABT 1152 in Brattleby, Welton, Lincolnshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Robert de CARDINAM & Blyngton b: ABT 1175 in Blyngton, Devon, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Jay Cary, 21 Sep 2002
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