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  • ID: I13446
  • Name: John de GREY , Sir 1
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1343 in Rotherfield Greys Castle, Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire, England
  • Death: BEF 8 FEB 1367/68 in (dvp) 1
  • Note: (e) The eldest brother, John de Grey, m. Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Michael de Poynings. On 23 Apr 1361, is enrolled a recognisance, John de Grey of Rotherfield to Sir Michael de Poynings in 5,000 pounds. Immediately following are 3 deeds of even date (Friday, Feast of St. George 35 Edward II), made at Southward, whereby John de Grey (the father) (1) recited his gift to John, his eldest son, and to Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Michael de Poynings, whom John (the son) was to take to wife, and to their heirs, the manors of Shabbington, Bucks, and Somerton (co. Oxford); (2) recited his gift to them of yearly rents from his manors of Claydon (Bucks) and Duston (Northants); and (3) covenanted with Sir Michael de Poynings before midsummer next to settle his manors and lands in England (Shabbington and Somerton excepted), reserving life rent to himself and to Maud, his wife, on his son John de Grey, the younger, and heirs male of his body. John de Grey, the younger, had m. the said Elizabeth, and was dead before 8 Feb 1367/8, when Sir John de Grey (or Rotherfield) had licence to settle the manors of Rotherfield, Duston and Cogges on himself in tail male; and the manor of Somerton on Elizabeth, late the wife of younger, and Elizabeth, remainder in respect of all the said manors to his own right heirs. It would appear that both Elizabeth and her daughter Joan were dead before 20 Mar 1378/9, when Robert de Grey of Rotherfield had licence to deal with a moiety of the manor of Somerton, then held in dower by Maud, late wife of Sir John de Grey, and the said Robert, d. possessed of 1/2 Somerton. Though Somerton does not appear in the Inq.p.m. (1408) on Joan, daughter and heir of Sir Robert Grey, wife of Sir John (Deincourt), Lord Deincourt, it was possessed by her 2nd daughter Alice (Inq.p.m. 13 Edward IV, no. 64), and is mentioned as of the inheritance of the said Alice at the death of her husband, Sir William (Lovell), Lord Lovell (of Titchmarsh) (Inq.p.m. 32 Henry VI, no. 28). This seems to show that no descendants existed of Joan, daughter of Sir John de Grey. She was alive, however, 8 Feb 1367/8 (see above), and if she survived her grandfather, Sir John (de Grey), and Lord Grey (d. 1375), she would have been suo jure, according to modern doctrine, Baroness Grey of Rotherfield. [Complete Peerage VI:148-9 note (e)]



    Father: John 2nd Baron de GREY , of Rotherfield b: BEF 1319 in Rotherfield Greys Castle, Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire, England
    Mother: Maud de BURGHERSH b: ABT 1323 in Burwash, Ticehurst, Sussex, England

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth de POYNINGS b: ABT 1346 in Slaugham, Sussex, England
    • Married: AFT 23 APR 1361 1

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:148 (e)
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