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  • ID: I13420
  • Name: Dernell (Darnell\Darvogiloda) of SCOTLAND
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1217 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
  • Note:
    Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, doesn't believe that Dernell/Darnell, etc. exists (his post-em is below). I did have her name as "Canmor", which I agree is out of place, but many others have the pedigree, some saying her name is "Dunkeld" instead of "Canmor". Judith Lauver, Bruce Ruesch, Kirk Larsen, & Charles Dohogne (all of World Connect) even name her mother (mistress of Alexander II) as Isabel Countess of Atholl. Unfortunately I have been, so far, only found a printed source (CP) that verifies the pedigree up to their son Robert.

    Curt's post-em:

    "Canmor" is a serious red flag that this is probably fictitious. It was an appellation (not a given or surname) given to Alexander II's ggg gf Malcolm III. Canmor, Ceanmore, Ceann Mor, Ceann Moir: (Begin Quote) which is customarily translated as 'Bighead'. Only one historian has suggested that 'head' in this context bears the same meaning as in 'headman', so that Ceann Mor ought to be translated as 'Great Chief'. This suggestion appears to have the merit of inherent probability. (End Quote) [Ref: The Kings and Queens of Scotland]

    It is hardly likely that Mel Coluim mac Donnchada 'Ceann Moir' (Malcolm III's) illegit gggg grand DAUGHTER would be given his MASCULINE appellation of "Big Head" or "Great Chief". Canmore is not like "Plantagenet" in that there are no other descendants of Malcolm who used it or were assigned it by later historians/genealogists to my knowledge.

    This is likely someone's attempt at trying to tie into Scots royals thru an invented "illegitimate child via an unknown mistress" - a standard (unprovable/disprovable) ploy. "It was hushed up so contemporary records don't/won't show it" is the modus operandi of charlatans. Without a primary source, this must be considered fabulous.

    Consider also, there are those who put red herrings in there online database just to see who is copying from them & publishing it without accreditation. Sounds crazy, but... perhaps you should contact your (unaccredited) source for this... unless of course it's YOUR red herring ;>)

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Alexander II King of SCOTLAND b: 24 AUG 1198 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
    Mother: Isabel 4th Countess of ATHOLL b: ABT 1200 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland

    Marriage 1 Alexander HOO , of Stopsley, Sir b: ABT 1200 in Stopsley, Luton, Bedfordshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Robert HOO , of Stopsley & West Hyde, Sir b: ABT 1238 in Stopsley, Luton, Bedfordshire, England
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