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  • ID: I13044
  • Name: Maud (Matilda) de FURNIVAL 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: BEF 1334 in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England 3
  • Death: AFT 1385 in Cubley, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England 3
  • Note:
    Following excerpted from posting by Rosie Bevan to the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup:

    From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
    Subject: Montgomery of Cubley Part 2
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2002-11-24 15:50:02 PST

    He [Walter de Montgomery] was married secondly by 1364 to Maud (possibly Furnival) according to a fine dated Easter that year. [H.J.H Garratt (ed), Derbyshire Feet of Fines 1323-1546; no.874].

    Walter was dead by Michaelmas 1374 when Maud was referred to as his widow in a fine [H.J.H Garratt (ed), Derbyshire Feet of Fines 1323-1546; no.920].

    She is probably the same Maud "sometime wife of Walter Mungomery, knight" mentioned in the IPM of William de Furnival (d.1383) receiving, for life, 43 marks annually from the manor of Sheffield, Yorkshire, with the king's licence. [CIPM v.XV : n. 784].

    In 1596 William Wyrley recorded the arms of Furnival in heraldic glass in Sudbury church [Charles Cox, The Churches of Derbyshire v.3 p.323]. Maud was still living in 1385 when she presented to Cubley church. [Charles Cox, The Churches of Derbyshire, v. 3 p. 94].

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    The following is excerpted from a post by Rosie Bevan, 24 Nov 2002, in response to John Ravilious:

    Your placement of Maud as daughter of Thomas Furnival d.1339 and Joan de Verdun d.1334 is chronologically feasible. Nicholas would have been past the age of seven (i.e. born before1357) when property was settled on himself and Ann in 1364, making it possible for Maud to have been born before 1334, (the year Joan de Verdun died), and to be Nicholas' mother. One other supporting piece of evidence is that the arms of Verdun were also observed in Sudbury church. The following quote from Cox may hold significance regarding the unidentified wives of the Montgomery family.

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    Note: Based on the above, I will make her sister of William & daughter of Thomas de Furnival. She could have been daughter of William by an unknown 1st wife, but then the dates would be tight (William was b. 1326 and Maud's son was b. 1357 (only 31 years difference with Maud in between)).




    Father: Thomas 2nd Baron FURNIVAL , Sir b: BEF 1292 in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
    Mother: Joan de VERDUN , Heiress of Alton b: BET 9 AND 11 AUG 1303 in Wootton, Stanton Lacy, Shropshire, England

    Marriage 1 Walter MONTGOMERY , Lord of Cubley, Sir b: ABT 1314 in Cubley, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England
    • Married: BEF 1357 in 2nd wife 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Nicholas I MONTGOMERY , of Cubley, Sir b: ABT 1357 in Cubley, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Rosie Bevan, 24 Nov 2002
      Text: Maud, possibly a Furnival
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Rosie Bevan, 16 Aug 2005
      Text: confirmed by a document dated 27 Oct 1367 as sister of William and daughter of Sir Thomas Furnival, presumably by Joan de Verdun.
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Rosie Bevan, 24 Nov 2002
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Rosie Bevan, 24 Nov 2002
      Text: states "by 1364", but gives son's age as "abt 1357".
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