The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I12317
  • Name: Alianor (Eleanor) la ZOUCHE 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1375 in Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England
  • Death: AFT 1467 in Polebrook, Northamptonshire, England 4
  • Note:
    Eleanor (?)Zouche, daughter(?) of 3rd Lord (Baron) Zouche (of Haryngworth). [Burke's Peerage, 3100]

    Eleanor [la Zouche], m. 6th Lord (Baron) Lovel. [Burke's Peerage, 3102]

    Note: MCS didn't seem to indicate doubts about Alianor's last name. However Ancestral Roots avoids naming a wife for John Lovel. On page 3102 Burke's Peerage makes very clear who Eleanor is and what her ancestry is. I think the question is with the mother that they give on 3102, which is the 2nd wife Elizabeth le Despenser, who didn't marry William la Zouche until "aft. 28 April 1393" (1st wife didn't die until "aft. 2 Dec 1391"). A date of 1393 makes it impossible for Eleanor to have William 7th Baron Lovel, b. 1397. Since all these dates are given by Burke's Peerage, I can see that they have a problem. Eleanor must be the daughter of the 1st wife.

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    He [John Lovel] is said to have married Eleanor [f], daughter of William ZOUCHE [LORD ZOUCHE, of Haringworth. He died 19 October 1414. [Complete Peerage VIII:221, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    [f] There is no authority for her parentage. Complaint was made, temp. Edward IV, of oppressions at Polebrook, Northants, by Eleanor, Lady Lovell, 1464-1467; William Lord Lovel, had also injured the complainant. The dates given are after his death, and the document is no proof that this Eleanor, born Zouche, survived till 1467. In 1386 John Lovel was to have m. Elizabeth, daughter and coheir of John Matravers, but the King forbade it, and in 1406 she was wife of Sir Humphrey Stafford.




    Father: William 3rd Baron la ZOUCHE , of Haryngworth b: ABT 1342 in Harringworth, Northamptonshire, England
    Mother: Agnes de GREEN , Heir of Brafield & Houghton b: ABT 1344 in Brafield on the Green, Northamptonshire, England

    Marriage 1 John 6th Baron LOVEL , of Titchmarsh, Sir b: ABT 1373 in Titchmarsh, Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Philippa LOVEL b: ABT 1391 in Titchmarsh, Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England
      2. Has Children William 7th Baron LOVEL , 4th Baron Holand, Sir b: 1397 in Titchmarsh, Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
        Page: 125-7
      2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
        Page: 3102, 3100
      3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:221
      4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:221 note (f)
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