The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I11714
  • Name: Robert de QUINCY 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1200 in Colne Quincy Manor, Earls Colne, Halstead, Essex, England
  • Death: AUG 1257 in (dspm) 4 3
  • Note:
    Robert DE QUINCY (youngest son of Saher, Earl of Winchester), who died s.p.m., August 1257. [Complete Peerage]

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    The mother of Robert de Quincy is rather curious. MCS states he is "3rd son by an unknown mother" (noncommittal as to whether Mistress or Wife, which they generally indicate), and neither MCS nor Burke's Peerage indicate that he is illegitimate, which they do if appropriate. Yet his father's wife Margaret de Beaumont, mother of the elder Robert de Quincy, outlived his father, so an "unknown mother" would have to make him illegitimate, wouldn't it? Maybe MCS was being overly cautious in assigning him a mother, and it really was Margaret de Beaumont--(although why two Robert de Quincys?) Is it possible he is son of the elder Robert de Quincy (the dates would certainly allow for it)?




    Father: Saier III de QUINCY , 1st Earl of Winchester b: 1155 in Winchester, Hampshire, England
    Mother: Unknown MISTRESS b: ABT 1175

    Marriage 1 Helen Ellen verch LLEWELYN b: ABT 1215 in Gynedd, Wales
    • Married: BEF 5 DEC 1237 in 2nd husband 3
    Children
    1. Has No Children Joan de QUINCY b: ABT 1245 in Colne Quincy Manor, Earls Colne, Halstead, Essex, England
    2. Has Children Hawise de QUINCY , Heiress of Bidford b: ABT 1250 in Bidford on Avon, Alcester, Warwickshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 114-2
    2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2904
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: III:169-170
    4. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 184a-9
      Text: 1257
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