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  • ID: I11709
  • Name: John 1st Baron WAKE , Sir 1 2 3 4 5 6
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1268 in Blisworth, Northamptonshire, England 1 3 4
  • Death: BEF 10 APR 1300 in Liddel, Cumberland, England 1 3 4
  • Note:
    John Wake, 1st Lord (Baron), so created by writ of summons to Parliament 24 June 1295; campaigned in Gascony between 1288 and 1297 and against the Scots 1297-1300, Jt Captain of March of Scotland in Cumberland and Westmorland 1297, fought at Battle of Falkirk 1298; married by 24 Sep 1291 Joan (died just prior to 26 Oct 1309), allegedly daughter of Sir John FitzBernard, of Kingsdown, Kent or William de Fenes, a Spanish Count, and possibly a relative of Edward I, and died just prior to 10 April 1300. [Burke's Peerage]

    Note: I have put both Joan(s) in as wives of John. Only one (Joan de Fiennes) was probably his wife. Ancestral Roots has a little more explicit (and different) information on "Joan de Fenes", naming her Joan de Fiennes, daughter of a non-Spanish, French/Englishman named William de Fiennes by Blanche de Brienne. Douglas Richardson of SGM confirms this identity as daughter of William de Fiennes, Knt, seigneur of Fiennes and Tingry (Pas-de-Calais/Artois, France), and in England, of Chokes and Gayton, Northants and Wendover Bucks.

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    BARONY OF WAKE (I)

    JOHN WAKE, son and heir, by 2nd wife, was born probably late in 1268. He was granted protection, 15 November 1288, to go to Gascony, was summoned for service in Gascony, 1294, in company with the King's brother Edmund, and was summoned for service across the seas in 1297. In March 1293/4 he was going to Scotland, where he was in 1296 and 1298, and he was summoned against the Scots, 1297-1300. He was summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 29 December 1299, by writs directed Johanni Wake, whereby he is held to have become LORD WAKE. He was Captain, with others, of the March of Scotland in Cumberland and Westmorland, 18 October 1297. He fought in the 2nd line under the Bishop of Durham at the battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298; was a Commissioner to deal with Scottish prisoners, July 1299; and was called to meet the Barons of the Exchequer at York, January 1299/1300. He married, before 24 September 1291, Joan de Fiennes. He died shortly before 10 April 1300. She died shortly before 26 October 1309. [Complete Peerage XII/2:301-2, XIV:623, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    Note: Apparently the preponderance of evidence identifies John's wife as Joan de Fiennes, daughter of William de Fiennes by Blanche de Brienne (as stated in AR line 236-10). This is based on an article in 'Genealogist Magazine' by John Carmi Parsons entitled 'Court and Household of Eleanor of Castile in 1290', (1977): 41, 44-46. Originally CP XII/2 named his wife Joan with a note (c) that stated she may be a daughter of John FitzBernard or of William de Fenes, but this was corrected by volume XIV in favor of Joan de Fiennes as it now reads in the above text. . . . ALTHOUGH to confuse matters even more: Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition, page 185, indicates that Margaret Wake's parents were "John Wake, 1st Lord Wake, by Joan, daughter of John Fitz Bernard, Knt., of Kingsdown, Kent." I have been told that the 1st edition of the book had Joan de Fiennes as the mother, but the 2nd edition, published in 1999, appears to take a step backwards. Did they find out something new?




    Father: Baldwin WAKE , Lord of Bourne & Liddel, Sir b: ABT 1238 in Bourne, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
    Mother: Hawise de QUINCY , Heiress of Bidford b: ABT 1250 in Bidford on Avon, Alcester, Warwickshire, England

    Marriage 1 Joan FITZBERNARD b: 1273 in Kingsdown, Kent, England
    • Married: BEF 24 SEP 1291 in Incorrectly Identified Wife 1 6 7

    Marriage 2 Joan de FIENNES b: ABT 1272 in Wendover Manor, Buckinghamshire, England
    • Married: BEF 24 SEP 1291 in Only wife 4 5 8
    Children
    1. Has Children Margaret 2nd Baroness WAKE b: ABT 1299 in Liddel, Cumberland, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 114-4
    2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2904
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:301-2
    4. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 236-10
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 24 Jun 2003
    6. Title: Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists, by David Faris, 2nd Edition 1999, NEHGS
      Page: 185
    7. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:302 note (c)
      Text: Indicates Joan FitzBernard as possbile wife of John, this was "corrected" by volume XIV in favour of Joan de Fiennes, with no mention of Joan FitzBeranrd.
    8. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XIV:623
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