The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I10565
  • Name: Alice de ROS 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1319 in Helmsley Castle, Yorkshire North Riding, England
  • Death: BEF 4 JUL 1344 in Whorlton, Stokesley, Yorkshire, England 1 2 3
  • Note:
    Alice de Ros, d. bef. 4 July 1344; m. Sir Nicholas de Meinill, under age 23 Aug 1322, d. bef. 20 Nov 1341, 1st Lord Meinill of Whorlton. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    Something is probably wrong with Margery de Badlesmere's and/or Alice de Ros's and/or Elizabeth de Meinill's birth date(s).

    Alice's mother is born 1306. Alice's daughter is born 1331. With a 25 year gap this leaves only a 1318/9 birth date for Alice where someone is born of a 12 year old mother and the other a 13 year old.. Mother & daughter dates are both sourced by AR, while Alice's is not.

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    He [Nicholas de Meinill] married Alice, daughter of William de Ros, of Helmsley [LORD Ros]. He died s.p.m. before 20 November 1341. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned 30 April 1342, and at the request of John Darcy the younger she had licence to marry whom she would. She appears to have died before 4 July 1344. [Complete Peerage VIII:632-4, XIV:472, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]




    Father: William IV 2nd Baron de ROS , of Helmsley, MP b: ABT 1288 in Helmsley Castle, Yorkshire North Riding, England
    Mother: Margery de BADLESMERE b: 1306 in Castle Badlesmere, Kent, England

    Marriage 1 Nicholas 1st Baron de MEINILL , of Whorlton,Sir b: AFT 23 AUG 1301 in Whorlton, Stokesley, Yorkshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Elizabeth Baroness de MEINILL b: 15 OCT 1331 in Whorlton, Stokesley, Yorkshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
        Page: 54-35
      2. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
        Page: 33-8
      3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:632-4
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