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  • ID: I10421
  • Name: Uchtred de DUNDAS
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1100 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland
  • Death: Deceased in Dundas, West Lothian, Scotland
  • Note:
    Richard Hodgson, World Connect db=ancestorsearch, sent a post-em (with a correction):

    As you may know, Uchtred de Dundas (ABT. 1100) is said (by Burkes Landed Gentry Scotland 2001, re Dundas of Dundas) to be son of Gospatric 1st Earl of March (died 1638), who I don't doubt is already in your database.

    Note:
    Further to my previous Post'Em: Gospatric died 1138 not 1638! In fact Burkes re Dundas says 1139, but I have him dying at the Battle of the Standard, which was 22 August 1138

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    Richard writes further in another e-mail:

    Yes. Here is what I have found on the Clan Dundas website:
    The Kindred of St. Columba had come into the Crown of Scotland in earlier times, when Bethoc, daughter of Malcolm II, King of Albany married Crinan (ca. 975‹1045), Thane (temporal lord) and (hereditary) Abbot of Dunkeld, and Seneschal (household officer or administrator) of the Isles. Crinanıs line was probably a branch of the Cineal Luighdheach. The Cineal Luigheheach were heads of the Columban church in Scotland since the removal of that primacy from Jona to Dunkeld several generations before. The sons of Bethoc and Crinan were King Duncan I of Albany (killed in 1040), whose descendants bore arms of the colors red on gold; and Maldred, Ruler of Cumbria, who married the daughter of the Earl of Beornicia, and whose descendants bore arms of the colors red on silver (white). From Maldredıs son Gospatric, Earl of Beornicia (which passed from English to Scottish control during his tenture, and whose original Saxon House is represented in the male line by the Swintons of that Ilk), are descended the families of Dunbar, Dundas and Moncreiff.

    The Dunbars descend from the above mentioned Gospatrick, who was also known as Earl of Northumbria and who was forced to flee that earldom, but was later given the barony of Dunbar in East Lothian by his cousin Malcolm III, Ceann-Mor ("great-head"), who was killed in 1093, Later his line acquired additional lands in what is now southwest Scotland. His descendants, the earls of Dunbar, thus became the head of an important Lowland family. In the fourteenth century their then chief married the heiress of the Randolf earl of Moray, and by 1579 the Privy Council describes the Dunbars of northwest Moray as a clan.

    The Dundases descend from a son of Gospatrick of Northumbria who was given a charter of the lands of Dundas in West Lothian about the mid-twelfth century. They became an important landed family around Edinburgh. John de Dundas acquired a charter of the barony of Fingask in Perthshire in 1364‹65.

    The Moncreiffes take their name from the lands of Moncreiff in the parish of Dunbarny in southeast Perthshire (Strathearn) on the north side of the River Earn near its mouth. From their arms (coat of arms) and early history they appear to be a branch of the House of Dundas. Dundas, Dunbar and Moncreiff families are "Cousin Clans", having a common ancestor.

    The family book, Dundas of Dundas says, "Maldred, son of Crinan, the Thane, and brother of King Duncan, married Aldgitha, daughter of Huctred, Earl of Northumberland, and grand daughter of Ethelred, King of England. Gospatric, son of Maldred by this marriage, received from William the Conqueror, in 1067, the Earldom of Northumberland, but did not long enjoy it, as it was again taken from him by the doner in 1072. About the same time, his kinsman, Malcolm the third, King of Scots, gave to Gospatric, "Dunbar, with adjacent lands in Lothian." Henceforth, he and his descendants were styled Earls of Dunbar, OF THE MARCH. Among the lands in Lothian owned by them were those of Dundas, which were granted by Waldeave, son of Gospatric, the third Earl, to Helias son of Huctred. It has been assumed that this Huctred, the father of Helias, was a brother of Waldeve, who granted the Charter. Of this, however, there is no direct proof. There is indeed a Huctred, son of Gospatric, mentioned in a charter of David the First to the Monks of Melrose, sometime between AD 1124 and 1153. This conjunction of names at such a time, together with the fact that the device of the Lion rampant is common to the Shields of the Earls of Dunbar and the Lairds of Dundas seems to lend some support to the tradition of the descent of the one Family from the other."

    Best regards

    Richard Hodgson
    West Sussex, UK
    Email for genealogical matters: ancestorsearch AT talk21.com

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    Father: Gospatric II 1st Earl of DUNBAR , Sir b: 1062 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland
    Mother: Sybil MOREL b: 1074 in Beanley, Alnwick, Northumberland, England

    Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
      Children
      1. Has Children Helias de DUNDAS b: ABT 1140 in Dundas, West Lothian, Scotland
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