The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I10019
  • Name: Helen verch LLEWELYN 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1230 in Caernarvonshire, Wales
  • Death: AFT FEB 1294/95 in Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland 4
  • Death: AFT 1291 3
  • Note:
    Helen, daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41-5]

    Helen or Elen, illegitimate daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Wales, widow of Malcolm, Earl of Fife. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 41b-5]

    This Helen was illegitimate and born very late- shortly before Llewellyn's death.

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    His [Donald 6th Earl of Mar's] wife, and mother of Isabel, was Helen, widow of Malcolm, 7th Earl of Fife, d. 1266, and daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of North Wales. Helen's first husband must have been an old man when she married him, for he succeeded his uncle in 1228. When he died, his son and heir was Colban, the 8th Earl, then under age, who had been knighted in his teens in 1264. Colban was married in his nonage, for when he died in 1270, when he could not have been more than 24, his heir was his son Duncan, aged 8. (Mr. Balfour Paul believes Colban's wife Alice was one of three daughters and co-heirs of Sir Alan Durward. If so, his issue shared with the Soulis family the descent from Alexander II of Scotland. However, since the line of his heir Duncan has died out, remaining descendants of this line would stem from younger children of Colban and Alice, if there were any.) The Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, who was successively the wife of Malcolm and of Donald, and mother of the children of both, appears clearly the daughter of Llewellyn ap Iorwerth but must not be confused with his daughter Helen, successively the wife of John le Scot, Earl of Chester, and of Robert de Quincy, whose mother was Princess Joan. [Ancestral Roots, Line 252-30]

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    He [Malcolm MacDuff 7th Earl of Fife] m. Helen, daughter of Llewellyn, Prince of Wales. He d. 1266. His widow m. Donald, Earl of Mar, who d. about 1292. She was living 1291. [Complete Peerage V:373]




    Father: Llewelyn ab IORWERTH , Prince of Wales b: 1173 in Aberffraw Castle, Aberconway, Wales
    Mother: Unknown MISTRESS b: ABT 1210 in Wales

    Marriage 1 Malcolm MACDUFF , 7th Earl of Fife, Sir b: ABT 1208 in Fifeshire, Scotland
    • Married: in 1st husband 5 6 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Colbran MACDUFF , 8th Earl of Fife, Sir b: AFT 1245 in Methil, Fifeshire, Scotland

    Marriage 2 Donald 6th Earl de MAR , Sir b: ABT 1243 in Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
    • Married: ABT 1269 in 2nd husband 7
    Children
    1. Has Children Margaret (Marjory or Mary) de MAR b: ABT 1270 in Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
    2. Has Children Gratney 7th Earl de MAR , Sir b: ABT 1272 in Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
    3. Has Children Margaret of MAR b: ABT 1274 in Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
    4. Has Children Isabel (Matilda) de MAR b: ABT 1278 in Kildrummy Castle, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 41-5, 41b-5
    2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 252-30
      Text: Not to be confused with Llewellyn's other daughter Helen, wife of John le Scot and Robert de Quincy.
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: V:373
    4. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1853
    5. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 252-30
    6. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 41b-5
    7. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1853
      Text: no date given, 2nd husband
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