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  • ID: I09163
  • Name: Margaret (Eleanor) BARDOLF 1
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1314 in Watton-at-Stone, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
  • Death: BEF FEB 1344/45 in Greenfield Priory, Lincolnshire, England 2
  • Note:
    Margaret. She died before him [Adam de Welle] and was buried in the Lady Chapel at Greenfield Priory.[a] He died 24-28 February 1344/5, aged 40, and was buried with her. Will dated 24 Feb 1344/5, probated in Lincoln Cathedral, 4 Apr 1345. [Complete Peerage XII/2:440-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

    [a] Margaret may have been a daughter of Thomas (Bardolf), 2nd Lord Bardolf.

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    The following post to SGM, 10 Jun 2004, by Douglas Richardson casts doubt on the identification of his wife Margaret, as Margaret Bardolf apparently married a Kerdeston instead of Welles. @@check ancestry

    From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
    Subject: Identity of Margaret., wife of Adam de Welle, 3rd Lord Welles
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2004-06-10 17:19:03 PST

    Dear Newsgroup ~

    Complete Peerage 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 440-441 (sub Welles) contains a good account of the life of Sir Adam de Welle, 3rd Lord Welles (died 1345). Regarding his marriage, the author states the following:

    "He married before 1334, Margaret. She died before him and was buried in the Lady Chapel at Greenfield Priory aforesaid. He died 24-28 Feb. 1344/5 ..."

    Elsewhere, page 441, footnote a, the author claims "Margaret may have been a da. of Thomas Bardolf, 2nd Lord Bardolf. See the 1st edn. of this work, vol. viii, Corrigenda, p. 525, and Misc. Gen. et Her., 5th series, vol. ix, pp.45-46."

    The claim that Margaret may have been a Bardolf appears to rest solely on the weak evidence that Sir John Bardolf, son of Thomas, served as a godparent to Margaret's son, John de Welles, in 1352 (see page 441, footnote d). While godparents were often relatives in this time period, they weren't exclusively so. Sometimes they were close family friends, or, on occasion, they were important people in the area in which the parents of the child resided.

    Curiously, evidence which disproves that Margaret de Welle is a Bardolf has been in print since 1826. In that year, an abstract of the will of Thomas Lord Bardolf's daughter, Cecily Lady Morley, dated 1386 was printed in Testamenta Vetusta [Reference: N.H. Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta, 1 (1826): 121]. In her will, Lady Morley mentions her sister, Dame Margaret Kerdeston. Unless the abstract of this will is defective, it would appear that Lady Morley's will provides a separate history for her sister, Margaret, who married a Kerdeston.

    If anyone has further particulars regarding this matter, I'd certainly appreciate hearing from them. This issue deserves further study.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    E-mail: douglasrichardson AT royalancestry.net

    Website: www.royalancestry.net




    Father: Thomas 2nd Baron BARDOLF , of Wormegay, Sir b: 4 OCT 1282 in Watton-at-Stone, Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
    Mother: Agnes de GRANDISON b: ABT 1284 in Grandson, Lake Neufchatel, Vaud, Switzerland

    Marriage 1 Adam 3rd Baron de WELLES , Sir b: 22 JUL 1304 in Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
    • Married: BEF 1334 in Wormegay, Norfolk, England 1
    Children
    1. Has No Children Elizabeth de WELLES b: ABT 1330 in Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
    2. Has Children John 4th Baron de WELLES , Sir b: 23 AUG 1334 in Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
    3. Has Children Margaret de WELLES b: ABT 1335 in Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:441
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: XII/2:441
      Text: predeceased husband
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