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  • ID: I07593
  • Name: Jane BIGOD 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1093 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England
  • Note:
    The following excerpt of a post to SGM by Chris Phillips gives some support to MCS's identification of Roger FitzRichard's mother as Jane Bigod (although Chris is not sure of where the first name "Jane" came from). Note that Chris followed this up with a post giving the name of Roger's father (see notes under husband Richard FitzEustace):

    Chris Phillips
    Jan 19 2003, 3:54 am
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    From: "Chris Phillips"
    Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:51:05 -0000
    Local: Sun, Jan 19 2003 3:51 am
    Subject: Re: Roger fitz Richard of Warkworth

    David Paul Meyer wrote:
    > Is the Roger fitz Richard, Lord of Warkworth, d. 1177, who married Alice
    > de Vere and had a son; Robert, the same person as the Roger fitz Richard who
    > had a daughter, Alice, who married John fitz Richard of Chester, Baron of Pontefract?

    > If so, is Alice de Vere the mother of both children?
    > I would also appreciate finding more about his father Richard and his
    > mother Jane Bigod. Are her parents Roger Bigod and Alice de Toeni?

    Alice, wife of John, constable of Chester, was a daughter of Alice de Vere, and I think is believed that her father was Roger fitz Richard (although it has been a matter of some argument in the past).

    Keat-Rohan, Domesday Descendants, p. 948, has some discussion on Roger's connection with the Bigods (although I can't see anything on Roger's father - but perhaps there is an entry on him tucked away somewhere in the book).

    Essentially, she says Roger was described as a "nepos" of earl Hugh Bigod, which may indicate that Roger's mother was an otherwise unknown daughter of Roger Bigod, but she suggests that alternatively she could have been a sister or niece of Roger. I can't see any indication of her name in Keats-Rohan's text - so I'm not sure where _Jane_ Bigod comes from.

    She also says that he is said to have had an uncle called Thomas de Candelent. She quotes an article by C. T. Clay ("The ancestry of the early lords of Warkworth", Archaeologia Aeliana, 4th ser., 32 (1954), 65-71), in which he suggests this should be read as Canteloup. But Keats-Rohan says that Candelent is the Domesday form of Candlet, Suffolk, which Norman the sheriff held of Roger Bigod in 1086. She adds that "Roger's charter for Rochester made a grant for Norman's soul as Roger and his wife's predecessor in manors they were granting", and goes on to suggest "a family link" may have been forged between the Bigods and the issue of Norman.




    Father: Roger BIGOD , of Earsham, Sir b: ABT 1065 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France
    Mother: Adeliza (Alice) de TOENI , Heiress of Belvoir b: ABT 1070 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France

    Marriage 1 Richard b: ABT 1090
    • Married: in 1st wife 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Roger FITZRICHARD , Lord of Warkworth b: ABT 1122 in Warkworth Castle, Alnwick, Northumberland, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 156-1
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Chris Phillips, 19 Jan 2003
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Chris Phillips, 19 Jan 2003
      Text: states that Roger's mother was probably a daughter of Roger Bigod. NOTE: that would make Jane, Richard's 1st wife.
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