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  • ID: I07300
  • Name: Robert II de HOLAND & Hale, Sir 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1250 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
  • Death: ABT 1304 in Hale, Prescot, Lancashire, England 4
  • Death: ABT 1300 5
  • Note:
    Sir Robert de Holand, of Upholland, Lancs (son of Thurstan, son of Robert de Holand), by Elizabeth, daughter and coheir of William Samlesbury. [Burke's Peerage]

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    SIR ROBERT DE HOLAND, son of Sir Robert De HOLAND, of Upholland, co. Lancs (c), by Elizabeth, daughter and coheir of William DE SAMLESBURY. . .

    (c) This Sir Robert was son of Thurston, son of Robert de Holand. He m. before 1276, when he and his wife were involved in a suit about Salmesbury. The date of his death is uncertain, probably about 1300. His widow was living 1311. [Complete Peerage VI:528 note (c)]

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    Manor of Hale, Lancashire;

    Other claims interfered. Robert de Ferrers, earl of Derby, between 1263 and 1266, granted to Nicholas de la Hose the wardship of Richard de Walton, and in addition, granted him the 7 rent due from the manor, and made him mesne lord of Hale, holding directly of the earl, and therefore superior to the Waltons, under whom were the descendants of Richard de Meath. Nicholas de la Hose sold his rights to Robert de Holand, who thus became superior lord of Hale, with the Walton heir in wardship (32)....

    The lordship of Robert de Holand descended like his other manors. His son Robert, afterwards Lord Holand, in 1304 procured a charter for a market and fair for Hale and free warren there. The market was to be held every Tuesday, and the fair on the eve, day, and morrow of St. Mary Magdalene. Robert himself seems afterwards to have granted a charter for a borough. Hale seems to have been assigned as part of the dower of his widow Maud, and soon afterwards she was defendant in a suit by Alan son of Henry le Norreys. She died seised of the manor in 1349. It was held of Henry earl of Lancaster by fealty and suit to the wapentake of West Derby, and was worth 9 a year clear. The second Lord Holand died in 1373, holding it of the duke of Lancaster by homage and fealty only; it was then worth 60 2s. 6d. His daughter Maud, widow of Sir John Lord Lovel, died in 1423 seised of the manor of Halewood, held of the king in chief as of his duchy of Lancaster in socage by fealty only; it was worth 40 clear. It was forfeited by the Lovels in 1487, and given to the first earl of Derby, of whom the Irelands continued to hold the manors of Hale and Halewood by the tender of two roses on Midsummer Day.

    A junior branch of the Holand family was established in Hale (50)....

    This will explain the position in 1292, when the tenants of Hale were summoned to prove their title to their holdings. Robert de Holand had 160 acres and his brother Richard 60; Adam de Ireland and Avina his wife had 200 acres; Alan le Norreys had but 20.

    (32) For the king it was urged that the grant to Nicholas was made 'in a time of war'; i.e. the Barons' war.
    A curious statement as to the origin of the Holand lordship was made by the tenants of Hale. A certain Thurstan de Holand, who had married a daughter of Henry, came to him, they alleged, as he lay at the point of death incapable, and took his seal, which he had hanging from his neck, and used it to certify charters granting the manor of Hale to Thurstan himself and Robert his son. After Henry's death the Holands took possession and brought in new tenants to the injury of the old.
    The story as to the grants made by Henry de Hale, while incapable, to Thurstan de Holand is told also in De Banc. R 226, m 217.
    It is certain that the claims of the Holands were earlier than the grant to Hose, for Thurstan de Holand and William de Walton had a dispute as to land in Hale in 1263, and William de Walton being still alive, his grandson's wardship could not have been prior to the Holand claim. Ralph the son of Reynold shortly afterwards made a complaint against Thurstan de Holand, Robert and Roger his brothers, William and Adam his sons, and a number of others that with force and arms they had come to his house at Hale, broken the timbers thereof and carried away other of his property to the value of 12 marks.
    In 1276 Thurstan de Holand had a dispute with the lords of the neighbouring vill of Speke as to boundaries, alleging disseisin of his free tenement in Hale, to wit, 100 acres of land. The jury, however, said that only 60 acres could be put in view, of which only 20 were in Hale. The true origin of Thurstan de Holand's rights may be the fine arranged in 1262 between him and John de Wolfall and Cecily his wife regarding 400 acres in Hale. An earlier fine between John and Cecily de Wolfall and Alan le Norreys shows that the former were then married and had lands in Hale. Thus Thurstan de Holand acquired land by purchase, and his son Robert acquired the lordship of the manor.

    (50) Richard de Holand, said to be son of the elder Robert de Holand, had land in Hale, and granted to Adam son of Warin de Speke 12 acres in 'Houuerechaderoc,' from Rams Brook as far as the sike between the two Kaderokes; paying to the lords of Hale the farm contained in Richard de Meath's charter to Walter de Arderne, then rector of Frodsham, i.e. 2s. of silver at Michaelmas and a pig at Martinmas should they have pigs there.
    Richard de Holand attested local charters down to nearly the end of Edward II's reign; sometimes 'Robert his son' is added. John de Holand occurs from 1316 until 1349; and William de Holland, of Halewood or Hale, from this year until the end of the reign. William de Holland was a free tenant in 1350; he had lands from William son of Roger le Mayorson in 1365.
    William occurs as a complainant in 1358, Hugh de Adlington and others having broken into his house at Hale. In 1339 Henry de Holland and Agnes his wife held land in the Wro in the Overfield (as dower), and its reversion to the heirs of Henry de Ditton was arranged.

    ['Townships: Hale', A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 3 (1907), pp. 140-149. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk]




    Father: Thurstan de HOLAND & Hale b: ABT 1222 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
    Mother: Miss heiress de KELLET b: ABT 1228 in Nether Kellet, Lunesdale, Lancashire, England

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth de SALMESBURY b: ABT 1253 in Salmesbury, Preston, Lancashire, England
    • Married: BEF 1276 5
    Children
    1. Has Children Avina\Avena de HOLAND b: ABT 1276 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
    2. Has Children Robert III 1st Baron de HOLAND , KG, Sir b: ABT 1283 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
    3. Has Children Elizabeth de HOLAND b: 1286 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
    4. Has Children Joan de HOLAND b: ABT 1287 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 90-6
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:528
    3. Title: VCH - Lancashire:. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Page: III:140-9
    4. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 90a-6
    5. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:528 note (c)
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