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  • ID: I07042
  • Name: Mary (Marie) de COUCY 1 2
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1220 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France
  • Death: AFT 1276 in Brienne-le-Chateau, Champange, France 3
  • Note:
    The remarriage dates (and implied death dates) of Ancestral Roots and those given by Leo van de Pas do not match. Leo has her remarrying Jean de Brienne in June 1257, but AR has Jean remarried by 1251, at which time Mary (Marie) had already died. However John Carmi Parsons & Leo van de Pas suggest that Mary was Jean's 2nd wife and Jeanne de Chateaudun was Jean's 1st wife (the reverse order of Ancestral Roots).

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    The following is a post to SGM, 5 Jan 1999, by Leo van de Pas:

    From: Leo van de Pas (leovdpas AT iinet.net.au)
    Subject: Re: Marie de COUCY
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 1999/01/05

    At 04:42 AM 1/6/99 GMT, you wrote:
    >Hi....Marie de COUCY was the second wife of Alexander II of SCOTLAND (ca
    >1198-ca 1249). She was reportedly the daughter of a French nobleman. Marie
    >gave Alexander his only "known" son who became Alexander III. Does anyone
    >know which de COUCY family line she is from and her ancestry? Did she remarry
    >following the death of Alexander II in abt July 1249. If so, to whom and did
    >she bear any more children? Many thanks in advance...Sid Telford
    >
    Dear Sid,
    In June 1257 she married Jean de Brienne but there were no more (surviving) children.

    1.Marie de Coucy

    2.Enguerrand III de Coucy, Seigneur de Coucy et Marle
    died 1243
    3.Marie de Montmirail

    4.Raoul de Coucy, Sire de Coucy et Marle
    born 1134
    killed in battle November 1191 Acre
    married 1174
    5.Alix de Dreux
    born circa 1156
    died after 1217

    6.Jean de Montmirail, Chatelain de Cambrai
    born circa 1167
    died 28 September 1217 Longpont
    married before 1194
    7.Helvide de Dampierre, Dame de Somsois

    8.Enguerrand II de Coucy, Sire de Coucy et Marle
    died 1148 in Palestine
    married 1132
    9.Agnes de Beaugency
    born circa 1108

    10.Robert I, Comte de Dreux
    born circa 1123
    died 11 October 1188
    married 1152
    11.Agnes de Baudement, Dame de Braine
    died 24 July 1204

    12.Andre de Montmirail, sire de la Ferte-Gaucher
    died before 1180
    13.Hildiarde d'Oisy, Vicomtesse de Meaux
    died before 1177

    14.Guillaume I de Dampierre
    15.Ermengarde (Basilie) de Mouchy

    Sources:

    Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europaischen Staaten,
    Marburg, 1953, 1975, by W.K. Prinz von Isenburg

    Genealogie der Graven van Holland,
    Zaltbommel, 1969, by Dr. AWE Dek

    Burke's Guide to the Royal Family,
    London, 1973

    Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels,
    Furstliche Hauser

    The Plantagenet Ancestry,
    Baltimore, 1975, by Lt.Col. W.H.Turton

    Encyclopedie Genealogique des Maisons Souveraines du Monde,
    Paris, 1963, 1964, 1966, by Docteur Gaston Sirjean

    The Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales,
    Edinburgh, 1977, by Gerald Paget

    Europaische Stammtafeln (Schwennicke)

    Hope this helps.

    Leo van de Pas




    Father: Enguerrand III Sire de Perche & de COUCY b: ABT 1175 in Marle, Aisne, Picardy, France
    Mother: Marie de MONTMIRAIL b: ABT 1195 in Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-des-Calais, France

    Marriage 1 Alexander II King of SCOTLAND b: 24 AUG 1198 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland
    • Married: 1239 in 1st husband 2nd wife 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Alexander III King of SCOTLAND b: 4 SEP 1241 in Roxburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland

    Marriage 2 Jean de BRIENNE , Grand Butler In France b: ABT 1225 in Acre, Palestine
    • Married: JUN 1257 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 2 5 6

    Sources:
    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 94a-31, 120-30
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Leo van de Pas, 5 Jan 1999
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Carmi Parsons, 4 Sep 1998
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Leo van de Pas, 5 Jan 1999
      Text: no date, 2nd wife
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Carmi Parsons, 4 Sep 1998
      Text: 1257, possibly 2nd wife
    6. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 120-30
      Text: no date, 1st wife (based on SGM, I have Mary as 2nd wife)
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