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  • ID: I06483
  • Name: Alice FITZALAN 1 2 3 4 5 6
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: BET 1373 AND 1376 in Arundel, Sussex, England 1
  • Death: BEF 1415 in (dsp legit) 4
  • Note:
    Alice Fitz Alan, born c1373-6; concubine of Henry Beaufort, Bishop of Lincoln, Bishop of Winchester, Cardinal of St Eusebius, son of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, son of Edward III, born c1376, died Winchester 11 April 1447; married by Mar 1392 Sir John Charlton, 4th Lord Charlton of Powis, dsp 19 Oct 1401. Alice's daughter Jane Beaufort named in Cardinal Beaufort's will dated 20 Jan 1446/7. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    Ancestral Roots places Alice as daughter of Richard, d. 1375/6, but the following excerpt from a post to SGM, 10 Feb 1998, by Mardi Carter, corrects AR:

    From: Mardi Carter (mardicar AT valley-internet.net)
    Subject: Confusion between 2 Alices FitzAlan
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 1998/02/10

    See the article in TAG 32: 10-11. My notes indicate that Weis calls her dau of Richard who d. 1375/6 quoting TAG as a source, but it (TAG) calls her dau. of his son Richard (d. 1397) and Elizabeth Bohun. The article indicates that Alice b. abt. 1373/5 had an affair with Henry Beaufort with issue dau. Jane/Joan who m. Sir Edward Stradling. This same Alice m. bef. MAR 1392 Sir John Cherleton. Alice's death is not recorded. CP (next entry) has it correct.

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    He [John Cherleton] married before March 1392, Alice, daughter of Richard (FITZALAN), 11th or 4th EARL OF ARUNDEL, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William (DE BOHUN), EARL OF NORTHAMPTON. He died s.p., 19 October 1401, at his castle of Pool, aged 39. [Complete Peerage III:161, XIV:169, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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    Another sister [of Thomas FitzAlan, d. 13 Oct 1415], Alice m. John Cherleton, 4th Lord Cherleton, feudal Lord of Powis, and dsp. legit, presumably before her brother's death in 1415. She was mother of Bishop Henry Beaufort's illegitimate daughter Joan, wife of Sir Edward Stradling. [Complete Peerage XIV:39 correcting I:246 note (d)]




    Father: Richard FITZALAN , KG, Earl of Arundel & Surrey b: 1346 in Arundel Castle, Sussex, England
    Mother: Elizabeth de BOHUN b: ABT 1350 in Huntington Castle, Kington, Herefordshire, England

    Marriage 1 Henry BEAUFORT , Cardinal of St. Eusebius b: ABT 1376 in Castle Beaufort, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France
    • Married: BEF 1391 in No Marriage 1 5
    Children
    1. Has Children Jane (Joan) BEAUFORT b: BEF 4 MAR 1391/92 in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

    Marriage 2 John 4th Baron de CHERLETON , of Powys, Sir b: 25 APR 1362 in Powis Castle, Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Wales
    • Married: BEF MAR 1391/92 7 1 6

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 27-8
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Mardi Carter, 10 Feb 1998
    3. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 234-31
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: I:246 note (d), XIV:39
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 1 Feb 2004
    6. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: III:161
    7. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2098
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