The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I05896
  • Name: John de CHENEY , of Newtimber
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1072 in Newtimber, Cuckfield, Sussex, England
  • Note:
    Manor of Newtimber, Sussex:

    The earliest mention of NEWTIMBER is in 960, when lands there were restored to Wulfric the thegn by King Edgar. It was held by Aelfech of King Edward the Confessor, and in 1086 Ralph de Chesney held Newtimber as 10 hides of Earl Warenne. This formed part of the 14 knights' fees held by his descendants, the family of Say, owners of Hamsey and Streat (q.v.). The overlordship descended with the rape, but in 1439 7 of the fees went to Edmund Lenthall and the other 7 to the Duke of Norfolk. Eventually the overlordship of this manor came into the hands of the Dukes of Norfolk.

    The mesne tenancy was long retained by the Say family and by 1284, at least, Newtimber was held of William de Say as half a knight's fee. In 1367 the manor was held as of the manor of Hamsey, and in 1395-6 7 knights' fees, in Newtimber among other places, were settled on Elizabeth de Say and her husband Sir William Heron. Of these Sir William died seised in 1404, after which time nothing further appears to be heard of these knights' fees.

    [Victoria County History, A History of the County of Sussex: Volume 7: The rape of Lewes, L. F. Salzman (editor), 1940, Pages 204-208]

    NOTE: The above indicates that the Cheney family were not overlords of Newtimber, they must have held it of the Say family, as knights. The holding of Newtimber suggests strongly that this family was descended from Ralph de Chesney. I have represented this by having John being a younger son. Another possibility is that his wife Joan/Jane was a daughter of Ralph de Chesney and John's heirs took their mother's name. The Cheney family seemed to be involved with several properties held by the Say family, but, according to the information I have gathered so far, did not hold anything directly until the time of Alexander de Cheney, d. >1300, who m, Agnes, a daughter of William de Say.

    Father: Ralph de CHESNEY , of Rudham b: ABT 1044 in La Quesnay, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
    Mother: Maud de WATEVILE b: ABT 1048 in Fulking, Cuckfield, Sussex, England

    Marriage 1 Joan (Jane) b: ABT 1074
      1. Has Children John de CHENEY , of Newtimber b: ABT 1095 in Newtimber, Cuckfield, Sussex, England
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