The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I05224
  • Name: Caravicina de RETHEL 1
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Melisende dite Caravicina de /Montlhery/
  • Birth: ABT 1075 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France
  • Note:
    Leo van de Pas, citing ES, gives Caravicina the designation "Melisende dite Caravicina de Monthlery", and makes her a daughter of Gui I de Monthlery by Hodierne de Gomtz-la-Ferte. Obviously the dates are all wrong for this, and Gui & Hodierne already had a daughter (which Leo has) who married someone else at a much earlier time. The only thing I can think of is that Caravicina is a daughter of that Melisende, thus she is a Rethel. Of course Guy II had a Melisende, who might also be the wife of Ponce, however Leo goes back to Guy I. Another alternative is that Guy I and Hodierne had a daughter Caravicina who had a daughter Melisende who was wife of Ponce. I am going with the simplest explanation, making her a Rethel.

    Note that Leo names the family Monthlery, and not Montlhery.




    Father: Hugh I Comte de RETHEL b: ABT 1030 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France
    Mother: Melisende de MONTLHERY b: ABT 1040 in Corbeil, Marne, Champagne, France

    Marriage 1 Ponce de TRAINEL b: ABT 1070 in Trainel, Champagne Ardennes, France
      Children
      1. Has Children Anseau I Sire de TRAINEL b: ABT 1100 in Trainel, Champagne Ardennes, France

      Sources:
      1. Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org
        Page: Melisende dite Caravicina de Monthlery
        Text: mentioned 1079
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