The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest

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  • ID: I05031
  • Name: Eve (Eva) FITZWARIN 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1179 in Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England
  • Note:
    NOTE: Many genealogists thought that Eva/Eve was a daughter of Matthew de Torrington, as exemplified by the post to SGM below:

    Thomas de Tracy's father can be readily identified as being Henry de Tracy (died 1274), Baron of Barnstaple, Devon, which Henry was the son and heir of Oliver de Tracy (died 1210), of Barnstaple, Devon, by Eve, probable daughter and co-heiress of Matthew de Torrington. [Douglas Richardson, soc.genealogy.medieval, 1 Dec 2004]

    HOWEVER further research by Douglas Richardson indicates that Eva/Eve was a daughter of Fulk FitzWarin, as given below:

    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    From: "Douglas Richardson royalances... AT msn.com"
    Date: 27 Jan 2005 23:25:36 -0800
    Local: Fri,Jan 28 2005 2:25 am
    Subject: Re: Ancestry of Thomas de London, lord of Kidwelly?

    Dear Carolyn

    Thank you for your good post.

    In answer to your question, when I mentioned the evidence in the Curia Regis Rolls which proved Eve's identity and parentage, I was speaking of Eve, daughter of Oliver de Tracy, NOT his wife, Eve. As I stated in my original post, Eve de Tracy the daughter married Warin de Bassingbourne. The evidence to prove this marriage is found in Curia Regis Rolls. So, no I haven't changed my position on this marriage.

    Regarding the senior Eve, wife of Oliver de Tracy and Thomas de London, it has commonly been thought that she was daughter and co-heiress of Matthew de Torrington. This was thought probable, as Eve's son, Henry de Tracy, is known to have had a one-fifth interest in the Torrington family estates. However, in recent time, I've determined that Henry de Tracy bought his share of the Torrington estates from one of the Torrington heirs. This would necessarily exclude Henry's mother Eve from being one of the Torrington heiresses.

    My research indicates that Eve, widow of Oliver de Tracy and Thomas de London, was instead a probable daughter of Fulk Fitz Warin, of Whittington, Shropshire, by his wife, Hawise de Dinan. Eve's maritagium appears to have consisted of land in Westbury, Wiltshire, which property she held under the Fitz Warin family. The name Eve runs in the Fitz Warin family. Also, we know that Eve de Tracy had a daughter Hawise de London, presumably named in honor of her mother, Hawise de Dinan. Chronology, naming patterns, and land ownership are all agreeable.

    If anyone has particulars which would shed further light on the Fitz Warin-Tracy-London connection, I'd appreciate hearing from them here on the newsgroup. Needless to say, this is a most interesting group of families. I imagine most posters here on the newsgroup descend from these people.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah




    Father: Fulk II FITZWARIN , of Whittington & Alveston b: ABT 1138 in Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England
    Mother: Hawise de DINAN b: ABT 1146 in Lambourn, Hungerford, Berkshire, England

    Marriage 1 Oliver de TRACY , of Barnstaple b: ABT 1165 in Barnstaple, Devon, England
    • Married: in 1st husband 5
    Children
    1. Has Children Henry de TRACY , of Barnstaple, Sir b: ABT 1200 in Barnstaple, Devon, England
    2. Has Children Eve (Emme) de TRACY , Heiress of Morebath b: ABT 1205 in Morebath, Tiverton, Devon, England

    Marriage 2 Thomas de LONDRES , of Kidwelly b: ABT 1183 in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
    • Married: AFT 1210 in 2nd husband 6
    Children
    1. Has Children Hawise de LONDRES , Heiress of Kidwelly b: ABT 1218 in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales

    Sources:
    1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 133
      Text: Eva (no last name)
    2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 63a-29
      Text: Eva (no last name)
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 1 Dec 2004
      Text: Eve, probable daughter of Matthew de Torrington
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 28 Jan 2005
      Text: Eve, probably daughter of Fulk FitzWarin by Hawise de Dinan
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 28 Jan 2005
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 28 Jan 2005
      Text: no date, 2nd husb.
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