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  • ID: I04841
  • Name: Roger de CONDET , of Caenby & Glentham 1
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Roger de /Cundi/
  • Name: Roger de CUNDET 2
  • Name: Roger de CUNI 3
  • Birth: ABT 1138 in Eagle, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
  • Death: 1201 in of Caenby & Glentham, Lincolnshire, England 2
  • Note:
    Turton has Roger Cundi as son of Osbert Cundi by Alice de Cheney. I have Roger as grandson of Osbert Condet/Cundy/Cundi by Adelaide de Chesney.

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    The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 5 Feb 2004, by Rosie Bevan, concerning Keats-Rohan's entries of Roger & his father Robert:

    From: rosie bevan (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
    Subject: Re: Ancestry of Agnes de Condet/Cundy, wife of Walter de Clifford
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2004-02-05 00:17:33 PST

    Dear Jim

    The following entries are from Domesday Descendants p.425



    de Cundet, Roger II
    Son of Robert de Condé and Alice (of Chester), a minor at his father's death c.1141. Nephew of Roger de Cundy, clerk of Roger de Mowbray in the 1140s and 1150s. Held 8 knights' fees of the bishop of Lincoln in 1166. Steward of Roger de Mowbray in 1174 or 1175. Attested Mowbray charters from c.1150/54, when Robert de Cundet, probably his younger brother, also starts to witness. He held half a fee, in scattered estates at Axholme, Lincolnshire, Burton Lazars, Leicestershire, Eltisley, Cambridgeshire, Great and Little Wildon and Bagby, Yorkshire, from the honour of Mowbray in 1166. Benefactor of Newburgh (Mowbray Ch., 205, 212). He was dead in 1201, when his heir was his daughter Agnes, wife of Walter Clifford, ancestor of the earls of Cumberland.
    [Cf. Major Lincs. Reg. Antiq. i pp.282ff. Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1936), V, nos 160,385; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1952), IX, nos 115, 125, 146, 153, 167; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1955), XII, no. 111; Greenway, Charters of the Honour of Mowbray (1972), no.22, 34, 40, 50, 55, 99, 105, 108, 159, 168, 197, 205, 240, 244, 296, 301, 351, 353, 354, 359, 371, 383, 396, 399; Red Book of the Exchequer, ed. Hall (1897), pp.418-21.]

    In the Domesday Book Caenby was referred to as Covenebi. Both Grantham (sic. later changed to Glentham) and Caenby were part of the Bishop of Lincoln's fee at that time.

    Cheers

    Rosie

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    This post by Rosie Bevan, supports the connection with Roger's grandmother Adelaide de Chesney:

    From: rosie bevan (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz)
    Subject: Re: Ancestry of Agnes de Condet/Cundy, wife of Walter de Clifford
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2004-02-05 17:57:21 PST

    Thanks, Tim and Peter

    Yes, this is another for the DD corrections pages. Sorry I should have spotted that error myself.

    Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare (d. 1136) was the husband of Alice, and the son of Gilbert fitz Richard. His biography is found on p.398/399. Also covered in CP III p.243.

    Regarding the Chesney connection Roger de Cundi held 9 fees from the Bishop of Lincoln in 1166, but in 1169 William de Chesney was holding these as ward of the heir of Roger. Roger had been a benefactor to Eynsham abbey of land in Milton near Thame [Salter, Eynsham Cartulary v.1 p.113], which perhaps ties William de Chesney of Glentham and Caenby (also holding of the bishop of Lincoln), in with the Oxfordshire family of Roger de Chesney and Alice de Langetot, benefactors to the same religious house. Adding weight to this suggestion is the fact that Robert de Chesney, son of Roger and Alice, was bishop of Lincoln between 1148-1166 [DD 833; Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae v.2 p.8], and would have been an active benefactor to his own family.

    Cheers

    Rosie




    Father: Robert de CONDET , Lord of Thorngate b: ABT 1100 in Skellingthorpe, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
    Mother: Adeliz (Alice) le MESCHIN b: ABT 1098 in Chester, Cheshire, England

    Marriage 1 Basilia de DAMMARTIN b: ABT 1148 in Dammartine, Seine-et-Marne, Ile-de-France, France
      Children
      1. Has Children Agnes de CONDET b: ABT 1166 in of Coventry & Glentham, Lincolnshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 141
        Text: Roger de Cundi
      2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Rosie Bevan, 5 Feb 2004
      3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: 783
        Text: father of Agnes, no ancestry given
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