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  • ID: I04366
  • Name: Michael II le FLEMING , of Caernarvon & Furness 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Michael de /Furness/
  • Birth: ABT 1124 in Caernarvon Castle, Beckermet, Cumberland, England
  • Death: 1186 in Muchland in Furness, Aldingham, Lancashire, England 1
  • Note:
    Curt Hofemann sent me a post-em questioning the existence of a Caernarvon Castle outside of Wales in Cumberland (now part of Cumbria). Believe it or not there were two such castles: one in Wales & the other in Cumbria. Searching with google.com for "Caernarvon castle Cumbria" and then sifting through the list turned up several references to the castle in Cumbria. Obviously the castle in Cumbria is not very famous, as most references are to the castle in Wales. The following is excerpted from a web page title "Images of Cumbria - Grasmere Parish", http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/grasmere.html:

    RYDAL AND LOUGHRIGG, the former situated on the north side of the beautiful lake of its name, one mile and a quarter N.W. of Ambleside, and the latter lying between the rivers Brathay and Rothay, from which it rises boldly into a lofty and romantic fell, and extending from half a mile to two miles W. of the same town, form a township which, as Mr. Green says, seems to have been designed by nature for producing extraordinary assemblages of beauty - where "water, wood, rock, and mountain, are rarely seen in greater diversity." Loughrigg contains a tarn of twelve acres, and commands fine views of Windermere, Grasmere, Rydal, and Elterwater lakes. The hamlet of Skelwith Bridge, on the river Brathay, near a waterfall, is in this district, two miles and a half W.S.W. of Ambleside.

    Rydal is supposed by Sir Daniel Fleming, to be a contraction of Rothay-dale, from the river which flows from Langdale Pikes through the lakes of Grasmere and Rydal, to that of Windermere, along a picturesque vale, richly clothed with wood. The manor of Rydal and Loughrigg was granted about the year 1280, by Margaret de Brus, to Roger de Lancastre, who held Rydal, with part of Loughrigg and Ambleside, of the king in capite, by the service of the fourth part of a knight's fee. In the reign of Henry VI, Sir Thomas le Fleming, of Coniston, married one of his descendants, by whom he obtained this manor, which has since remained in his family, and is now held by Lady le Fleming. The ancestor of this illustrious family was Michael le Fleming, one of the adventurers who came to England with William the Conqueror. He received a grant of Arlecdon, Beckermet, and several other manors in Cumberland, in Furness, and in Lancashire. He died soon after the year 1154 and was buried in Furness abbey, to which he had been a liberal benefactor. From Richard le Fleming, his second son, who lived at Caernarvon castle, near Beckermet, are descended the Flemings of Rydal.

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    Note: According to the Eskdale "The Lake Districts' Hidden Gem" web site, there is not much more than a mound of dirt where the castle stood. It probably was a much less important (and smaller) castle than the one in Wales. Beckermet is a village near Whitehaven in Cumberland.




    Father: Michael le FLEMING , of Aldingham b: ABT 1085 in Normandy or Flanders, France
    Mother: daughter de STUTEVILLE b: ABT 1108 in Cottingham, Yorkshire East Riding, England

    Marriage 1 Christian de STAINTON b: ABT 1144 in Stainton in Kendal, Westmorland, England
      Children
      1. Has Children William le FLEMING , of Aldingham b: ABT 1160 in Muchland in Furness, Aldingham, Lancashire, England
      2. Has Children Anselm le FLEMING , of Stainton & Drigg b: ABT 1162 in Muchland in Furness, Aldingham, Lancashire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
        Page: 34-26
      2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
        Page: 41-25
        Text: father of Anselm
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