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  • ID: I04348
  • Name: Margaret de HOLAND 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 1265 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
  • Death: ABT 1329 in Bracewell, Skipton, Yorkshire West Riding, England 3
  • Note:
    Sir Adam Banastre [married] Margaret de Holand, sister of Sir Robert de Holand of Upholland, co. Lancaster, and widow of Sir John Blackburn. [Ancestral Roots, line 34-32]

    Note: I originally had Margaret as daughter of Robert de Holand & Elizabeth Salmesbury, being sister of Robert 1st Lord Holand of Upholland. However I now have her as sister of the Robert who married Elizabeth Salmesbury, and daughter of Thurstan de Holand. She could still be an early child of Robert de Holand, or a late child of Thurstan, but I am now leaning to Thurstan. Note that the "The Lancashire Hollands" below indicates she is daughter of Thurstan.

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    The following was researched by Douglas Hickling, [dhhic AT comcast.net] who emailed to me:

    Now, I continue with VCH Lancaster v. 5. At pp. 245-246, the article says that : "Shortly after 1287, but by what title is unknown, the manor [of Bolton] was held by Margaret, sister of Sir Robert de Holland, and on her death divided among her four daughters and heirs. [footnote deleted] The eldest, Alice, married Sir Robert de Shireburne, and the fourth part assigned to her descended with the Shireburne estates. [footnote deleted]

    The foregoing information is more or less repeated in VCH Lancaster v.6. At p. 131, the article notes that Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, gave the manors of Chorley and Bolton to Robert de Hepwall and Margaret [de Holland] in consideration of Robert's praiseworthy services. Margaret was either the intended recipient of these manors or later acquired them. "She was sister of Robert de Holland, and thrice married. By her first husband, Sir John de Blackburn of Wiswell, she had three daughters; by her second, the above-named Robert de Hepwall, who died in 1304, he had a son John, who probably died young. The third husband was the Adam Banastre executed in 1315; by Hepwall or Banastre she had another daughter. [citations deleted throughout]

    VCH Lancaster v. 7 may show a primary source showing the marriage between Sir John Tempest and Katherine Sherburne. At p. 2, the article begins the history of Aighton in Mitton. On p. 2, the article says that Margaret Haphale, afterward Banastre, gained control of Aighton. "After Margaret's death her manors were divided among her daughters--Alice wife of Robert de Shireburne," and the others being named. Beginning at p.3, the article describes the subsequent involvement of the Sherburnes:

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    And in a later e-mail clarifying the 1287 date above:

    I really do not think that we can date Margaret de Holand's marriage to John Blackburn back to around 1280. VCH Lancaster 6:131 says that Henry de Lacy granted Chorley and Bolton to Margaret and her then husband Robert de Hepwall after he acquired them from Richard de Lothburgh who did not himself obtain these manors from William de Ferrers until 1297, not 1287. Since Margaret had had only one son and possibly a daughter from this husband by the time he died in 1304, it is likely that she and Hepwall were not married until 1297 or so. Although the earlier volume VCH Lancaster 5:245 refers to Margaret having "shortly after 1287, by what title is unknown, the manor" of Bolton, this appears to be an editing error corrected in volume 6, as William de Ferrers still owned Chorley and Bolton as late as 1297. If Margaret had married Sir John de Blackburn before 1290, she would probably have been survived by more than three children upon her first husband's death. It still seems to me that Margaret's birth year was still around 1270, the same date that CP proposes for the lst Lord de Holand. It is rather chastening to realize how such a simple editing error, if that it be, can create havoc in establishing family lines.

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    And later on Douglas Hickling found:

    THE LANCASHIRE HOLLANDS, by Bernard H. Holland, turned out not to be a scholarly work and with very few citations. I noted that there was a section on sources at the end of the book and it had entries like "Visitation Pedigrees of the Holland Family" without any indication as to where these pedigrees might be found. As is so often the case, the book generally omits daughters. I did notice that Margaret de Holand who married Sir John Blackburn and Sir Adam Banestre, was a sister of the Sir Robert de Holand who married Elizabeth Samlesbury while I think it generally agreed that that Margaret de Holand was a daughter of Sir Robert and Elizabeth.

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    Manor of Great Bolton, Lancashire:

    Shortly after 1287, but by what title is unknown, the manor was held by Margaret, sister of Sir Robert de Holland, and on her death divided among her four daughters and heirs. The eldest, Alice, married Sir Robert de Shireburne, and the fourth part assigned to her descended with the Shireburne estates till 1632, when it was sold by Richard son of Richard Shireburne and Elizabeth his wife, to Roger Lever, descending in this family till the end of the 18th century.

    The second daughter, Agnes, was twice married, but appears to have had no children; and in 1336 as a widow, she settled her share of the manor upon the children of her sister Katherine.

    The third daughter, Joan, married Sir Thomas de Arderne, and had issue; but the fourth part, which should have descended to the heirs of this family, seems to have been recovered about 1360 by the heir of the above-named William de Ferrers, and descended in the line of Ferrers of Groby till the attainder of Thomas, Marquess of Dorset, in 1483. It was in 14.84 given to the Stanleys, afterwards Earls of Derby, and has since descended with the earldom.

    The fourth daughter, Katherine, married Sir John de Harrington of Farleton in Lonsdale, and had three sons—Thomas, Robert, and Nicholas; the inheritance, doubled by the gift of Agnes, descended with the issue of Nicholas to Sir Thomas Harrington and his son Sir John, both killed at the battle of Wakefield in 1460. The moiety of the manor of Bolton was secured for himself by Sir Edward Stanley, created Lord Mounteagle, who married Anne, one of Sir John Harrington's daughters; and it descended through his son by a second marriage to William, Lord Mounteagle, who in 1574 sold it to William Slinehead and Ellis Ainsworth.

    ['Townships: Great Bolton', A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 5 (1911), pp. 243-251. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk]




    Father: Thurstan de HOLAND & Hale b: ABT 1222 in Upholland, Wigan, Lancashire, England
    Mother: Miss heiress de KELLET b: ABT 1228 in Nether Kellet, Lunesdale, Lancashire, England

    Marriage 1 John de BLACKBURN , of Wiswall, Sir b: ABT 1260 in Wiswall, Whalley, Lancashire, England
    • Married: in 1st husband
    Children
    1. Has Children Alice de BLACKBURN b: ABT 1280 in Wiswall, Whalley, Lancashire, England

    Marriage 2 Robert de HEPWALL b: ABT 1260
    • Married: BEF 1297 in 2nd husband

    Marriage 3 Adam BANASTRE , of Bank Hall, Sir b: ABT 1270 in Bank Hall, Bretherton, Lancashire, England
    • Married: AFT 1304 in 3rd husband
    Children
    1. Has Children Katherine BANASTRE , heir of Farleton b: ABT 1307 in Bretherton, Chorley, Lancashire, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 34-32
    2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 1747
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Hickling, 24 May 2004
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