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  • ID: I03918
  • Name: William II de SAY , of Sawbridgeworth 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1133 in Saham, Norfolk, England
  • Death: BEF 1 AUG 1177 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England (dspm) 3 2
  • Note:
    William, of Kimbolton, Hunts, and Saham, Norfolk; dspm just prior to 1 Aug 1177. [Burke's Peerage]

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    WILLIAM DE SAY II, 1st son and heir, first appears as a party to the confirmation by his father of Hugh de Beauchamp's grant to St. Neot's, perhaps towards the end of 1144. Between 1150 and 1160 he entered into an agreement with the monks of Ramsey to grant them rents in Norfolk and elsewhere, his mother Beatrice assenting. He paid scutage in 1161-62 under Cambs and Hunts. In 1166 he returned his Carta under Hunts. He accounted in 1167-68 under Hunts for 34 s. in respect of the aid to marry the King's daughter, and, about 1175 was witness to a charter in favour of Buckland Priory. The name and parentage of his wife are unknown. He died s.p.m. shortly before 1 August 1177. [Complete Peerage XI:465, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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    William d. v. p., leaving two daus., viz., Beatrix, who m. Geoffrey FitzPiers, and Maud, m. to William de Bocland. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 476, Saye, or Say, Barons Saye]




    Father: William I de SAY , of Sawbridgeworth, Sir b: ABT 1106 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England
    Mother: Beatrice de MANDEVILLE , Countess of Essex b: 1105 in Manneville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France

    Marriage 1 Aufrica of HUNTINGDON b: ABT 1140 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Beatrix de SAY , 4th Countess of Essex b: ABT 1163 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England
      2. Has Children Maud de SAY b: ABT 1166 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England
      3. Has Children Janet de SAY b: ABT 1172 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
        Page: 160-3
      2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: XI:465
      3. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
        Page: 2555
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