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  • ID: I03875
  • Name: Enguerrand II Count of Montreuil & PONTHIEU 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1030 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
  • Death: 25 OCT 1053 in Slain at the siege of Arque (dspm) 5 6
  • Note:
    Enguerrand, Count of Ponthieu and Sire d'Aumale. Slain at the siege of Arques in 1053. [Complete Peerage I:351 chart]

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    Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:

    Other notes:
    Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]

    According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]

    Regards,

    Curt

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    Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "The Ancestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with good genealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piers de Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu as son of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among other sources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's "Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).




    Father: Hugues II Comte de PONTHIEU b: ABT 1008 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
    Mother: Bertha of AUMALE b: ABT 1010 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France

    Marriage 1 Adelaide of NORMANDY , Countess of Aumale b: BEF 1030 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
    • Married: in 1st husband 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Adelaide (Adeliz) de PONTHIEU b: ABT 1050 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 130-24
    2. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: I:351 chart
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: John Ravilious (Therav3), 8 Oct 2002
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: I:351-2
    5. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 130-24
      Text: 1053
    6. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: I:351
      Text: 1053 (dspm)
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