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  • ID: I03485
  • Name: Stephen "Le Sage" Comte de Champagne & BLOIS 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Stephen "Le Sage" Comte de Blois & /Champagne/
  • Birth: ABT 1046 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 4
  • Death: 27 MAY 1102 in Ramlah, Palestine (on Crusade of 1101) 5 6
  • Note:
    Ancestral Roots has Stephen as son by the 2nd wife Alix, giving no marriage date for Theobald & Alix, nor birth date for Stephen. Turton also has Etienne/Steven born by the 2nd wife Alice de Vexin. But Richard Borthwick in a post to SGM believes that the dates indicate it was his 1st wife who was mother.

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    The following information was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

    Stephen "Le Sage" Count of Champagne & Blois

    Mother: Alix de Crepi b: ABT. 1020 in Vexin, Normandy, France

    The identity of his mother seems to be in debate:

    I think... (the mother of Stephen) should be Gersende of Maine, Thibaut III's 1st wife. Stephen Henry was born in 1046 and Thibaut and Gersende did not separate until 1048. ES II:46 gives these dates and mistakenly indicates Stephen Henry to be the son of Gundrada. Also see M Bur *La formation du comte de Champagne* (Nancy, 1977), 199, 214-15 where Stephen Henry is stated to be the son of Gersende. [Ref: Richard Borthwick 30 Jan 1998 message to Gen-Medieval] note: I don't know why he refers to as Stephen as Stephen "Henry". As far as I know, middle names didn't come into use until centuries later... Curt

    Research note 1: mother: Alix de Crepi [Ref: Weis AR7 137:23]

    Research note 2: mother: Gundrada [Ref: Moriarty p117, Paget p58, Watney p110]

    Regards,
    Curt

    Note: the separation between Thibaut/Theobald and Gersende maybe didn't officially happen until 1048, but I have a child of Gersende's 2nd husband who looks to be b. abt 1045.




    Father: Theobald III Comte de BLOIS , (I) de Champagne b: ABT 1013 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France
    Mother: Gersende du MAINE b: ABT 1019 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

    Marriage 1 Unknown MISTRESS b: ABT 1053 in France
      Children
      1. Has Children Emma of BLOIS b: ABT 1073 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France

      Marriage 2 Adela of NORMANDY , Princess of England b: ABT 1062 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
      • Married: ABT 1080 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France 7 3
      Children
      1. Has Children William "Simple" de CHAMPAGNE , Comte Chartres b: ABT 1080 in Champagne, France
      2. Has Children Agnes de BLOIS b: ABT 1090 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France
      3. Has Children Theobald IV Comte de BLOIS , (II) de Champagne b: 1093 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France
      4. Has No Children Maud de BLOIS b: ABT 1095 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France
      5. Has Children Stephen I de Blois King of ENGLAND b: ABT 1097 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France

      Sources:
      1. Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on
        Page: United Kingdom, Ancestry of the British Royal House
      2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
        Page: 262-26
      3. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 15
      4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Richard Borthwick, 30 Jan 1998
      5. Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on
        Page: United Kingdom, Ancestry of the British Royal House
        Text: year only
      6. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 15
        Text: 1102
      7. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
        Page: 137-23
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