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  • ID: I03421
  • Name: John BLUET , of Raglan & Daglingworth, Sir 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: John (Bluett) /Blewett/, of Raglan, Sir
  • Name: John BLOUET , of Raglan, Sir 5
  • Birth: ABT 1340 in Daglingworth, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England
  • Death: BEF 24 MAR 1375/76 in Raglan Castle, Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales 6
  • Note:
    Sir John Bluet, of Raglan, Co Monmouth. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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    The following post to SGM, 13 Dec 2003, by Douglas Richardson, in response to a query by me, gives a "Magna Carta Surety descent" as PA2 in notes under daughter, Elizabeth:

    From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
    Subject: Re: Ancestry of John Bluet, of Raglan
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2003-12-13 00:57:24 PST

    Dear Jim ~

    Thank you for your good post.

    Sometime ago, I worked out the following Magna Carta Surety line for Elizabeth Bluet, wife of James Berkeley, of Raglan Castle, co. Monmouth (died 1405):

    l. WILLIAM MALET, Magna Carta Surety, Baron of Curry-Mallet, Somerset, married (1st) _____.

    2. MABEL MALET, married HUGH DE VIVONNE, of Chewton, Somerset.

    3. WILLIAM DE FORZ, Knt., of Chewton, Somerset, married MAUD DE FERRERS (descendant of King Henry I of England).

    4. JOAN DE VIVONNE, married REYNOLD FITZ PETER, Knt., of Wolverton, co. Hants.

    5. KATHERINE FITZ REYNOLD, married JOHN PICHARD, of Stradewy Castle [present day Llanvihangel-Ystrad, co. Cardigan], Wales, and Bishampton and Kington, co. Worcester.

    6. AMICE PICHARD, married RALPH BLUET, of Raglan, co. Monmouth, Wales, Daglingworth, co. Gloucester, and Thruxton, co. Hereford.

    7. RALPH BLUET, Knt., of Raglan and Thuruxton, co. Monmouth, Wales, and Daglingworth, co. Gloucester, married ELIZABETH FERCH RHYS AP HYWEL.

    8. JOHN BLUET, Knt., of Raglan and Daglingworth, etc., married KATHERINE WOGAN (or GWRGAN).

    9. ELIZABETH BLUET, married (1st) BARTHOLOMEW PICOT, Knt.; (2nd) JAMES BERKELEY, Knt., of Raglan Castle, co. Monmouth; (3rd) WILLIAM AP THOMAS, Knt.

    Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 132 (sub Berkeley) provides no information regarding Elizabeth Bluet's ancestry. You can find partial particulars of the above line in the Genealogist, n.s. 12 (1895):
    29-30 (1895) ("Bartholomew Picot and Elizabeth his wife, sued John Poyntz, Chivaler, and Margaret, his wife, for the manor of Thurleston which Roger Pychard gave to Amice, his daughter, and heirs of her body [Amice's son Ralph, first husband of Margaret, and Ralph's son, John, father of Elizabeth]").

    I trust this answers your question.

    Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

    E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

    jimweber AT nwintl.com (Jim Weber) wrote in message news:...
    > Dear Newsgroup,
    >
    > I have been curious for sometime as to the ancestry for John
    > Bluet/Blouet, of Raglan, father of Elizabeth who married (1)
    > Bartholomew Picot, (2) James de Berkeley, and (3) William ap Thomas
    > Herbert.
    >
    > Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition, p. 23, states that John
    > Bluet of Raglan, co. Monmouth, was "of Magna Carta Surety descent",
    > which seems to indicate that there is a known pedigree for him; yet I
    > have never seen any such pedigree given.
    >
    > Vivian's Visitations of Cornwall 1530 1573 & 1620, "Blewett of Colan",
    > p. 35, gives the following descent:
    >
    > 1. William Blewett, Earl of Salisbury [Yikes! Title is far-fetched!]
    >
    > 2. Sir Rowlan Blewett, Kt, younger son of Earl of Sarum = Lettice, dau
    > & coh. of Jeoffrey Ragland, Lord of Raglan
    >
    > 3. Sir Edmund Blewett, Kt = Isabell, sister of Hump. Bowen, Kt
    >
    > 4. Sir Roger Blewett, Kt = Joane, da. of Sir Lewis Powis, Kt, Lo.
    > Powis
    >
    > 5. Thomas Blewett = Edith, sister of Owen Ward, Lo. of Penalton
    >
    > 6. Sir Ralph Blewett, Kt, Lord of Ragland = Llowis, sister of Gilbert
    > de Monthermer, Earl of Hereford and Gloucester. [Ralph de Monthermer
    > was styled Earl of Hertford & Gloucester in right of his wife Joan of
    > Acre, widow of Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Hertford & Gloucester. Joan
    > & Gilbert had a son Gilbert, who was also Earl of Hertford &
    > Gloucester. The latter Gilbert would have been "step-son" of Ralph de
    > Monthermer. Hard to say who is meant.]
    >
    > [The male descent continues on for at least 5 generations]
    >
    > The Visitations of Devon 1564 (ed. Frederic Thomas Colby), [year of
    > visitation was 1520], "Blewett" [of Holcombe Rogus?], p. 21-22, gives
    > the following descent:
    >
    > 1. William Blewett, Kt
    >
    > 2. Roland Blewett, younger son = Lucretia, da & coh of Galfride
    > Ragland, lord of Ragland
    >
    > 3. Edward Blewett, Knt = Isabella, sister of Humphry Bawyn, Knt
    >
    > 4. Roger Blewett, Knt = Johanna, d. of Lewis de Powys, Knt, lord of
    > Powys
    >
    > 5 Thomas Blewett, Knt = Edith, sister of Owen Wood, lord of Penhalton
    >
    > 6. Ralph Blewett, Knt, lord of Ragland = Avis, sister of Gilbert de
    > Monthermer
    >
    > [The male descent continues on for at least 6 generations]
    >
    > Presumably #6 (in both Cornwall & Devon) Ralph Blewett, lord of
    > Ragland, is a close relative (perhaps father/grandfather/great
    > grandfather) of John Bluet of Raglan.
    >
    > Does anyone have any information on the ancestry of John Bluet, which
    > would connect with the Blewett family given in the above visitations
    > of Cornwall & Devon?
    >
    > Thank you for any information that can be provided.
    >
    > Jim Weber




    Father: Ralph BLUET , of Thruxton & Raglan, Sir b: ABT 1315 in Thruxton, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
    Mother: Elizabeth verch RHYS b: ABT 1315 in Talgarth, Hay, Breconshire, Wales

    Marriage 1 Katherine (Worgan\Wagan\Gwrgan) WOGAN b: ABT 1348 in Wiston, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales
    • Married: in 1st husband 6
    Children
    1. Has Children Elizabeth BLUET , Heiress of Raglan b: ABT 1370 in Raglan Castle, Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales

    Sources:
    1. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 28B-9
    2. Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      Page: 2306
    3. Title: Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists, by David Faris, 2nd Edition 1999, NEHGS
      Page: 23
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 13 Dec 2003
    5. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 66-8
    6. Title: Magna Carta Ancestry, by Douglas Richardson, 2005, Genealogical Publishing Co.
      Page: 97
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