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  • ID: I02968
  • Name: William (Thomas) WALWYN , of Ruardean & Bickerton 1 2
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: ABT 1420 in Ruardean, Ross, Gloucestershire, England
  • Death: 1471 in Bickerton Manor, Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England 3
  • Note:
    VCH-GLOUCESTER ENTRY FOR RUARDEAN:

    MANOR (Hathaways)

    William Hathaway, one of the lords of Ruardean in the early 14th century, had probably inherited part of William of Aumale's estate as a minor. Hathaway's estate, later called HATHAWAYS or HATHAWAYS COURT manor, was held from Alexander of Bicknor for a cash rent. It passed from William (d. c. 1317) to his son William and by 1355 to the latter's son Walter. Thomas Hathaway, the owner in 1366, held land in Ruardean from the Crown for a cash rent paid at St. Briavels castle and at his death in 1376 his heirs were his infant daughters Isabel, Sibyl, and Ellen. His estates in Ruardean and St. Briavels were divided between them in 1382, when Isabel and her husband Thomas Walwyn received her share. The Crown retained the other shares until Sibyl, who married Nicholas Hyde, and Ellen came of age. Thomas Walwyn, of Much Marcle (Herefs.), died in 1415 and was survived by Isabel and several sons, of whom Richard was his heir. In 1445 Ellen, the widow of William Walwyn, quitclaimed rents in Ruardean to John Hickox and his wife Isabel, and in 1450 Isabel quitclaimed land which she had inherited from her mother Sibyl Hyde to William Walwyn of Bickerton in Much Marcle. William held a manor court in 1454, when he was also described as of Ruardean, and at his death in 1471 Hathaways, held from Ruardean manor for 1d., passed to his daughter Alice, wife of Thomas Baynham (d. 1500). Alice, who later married Sir Walter Dennis (d. 1505 or 1506), died in 1518 and the estate passed to her son Sir Christopher Baynham (fl. 1534). His son George, who held it in 1541, was knighted in 1546 and died later that year leaving the manor for life to his wife Cecily, who later married Sir Charles Herbert. From Cecily, whose son Richard Baynham may have held the manor court in the 1550s, it passed in 1585 to another son Thomas Baynham, who was succeeded in 1611 by his daughter Joan and her husband John Vaughan of Kinnersley (Herefs.). John, a Roman Catholic, was outlawed and in 1612 the manors he held in Joan's right were confiscated. Joan recovered her estates but forfeited them, temporarily, on her conviction for recusancy in 1619. John died later that year and Joan, who continued to support the Roman Catholic cause and resided in Ruardean, in 1642.

    [From: 'Ruardean', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume V: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 231-47. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=23261. Date accessed: 30 June 2005]

    NOTE: This generation is not in the Visitation of Gloucestershire. They have Alice as daughter of this William's father & mother.

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    There are plainly too many William Walwyns in this era. I originally had William as son of Thomas Walwyn by Isabel Hathaway. However the post by Matthew Connolly below states that his source has that William "of Longworth/Longford" who m. Jane/Joan Whitney (even though Matthew stated that I might have it correct, at least in having William being of a later generation). In re-reading the VCH-Gloucs history above, it seems that Ellen Hathaway (youngest sister of Isabel) married a William Walwyn, while Isabel m. Thomas Walwyn. It seems somewhat common for sisters to marry brothers, therefore it seems likely that Ellen m. William, the younger brother of Thomas Walwyn. Given that scenario, then I am proposing that William & Ellen's son was the William who m. Elizabeth/Joan Greyndour (note that Elizabeth/Joan could not be a young 2nd wife of the William who m. Ellen Hathaway because Ellen was a widow in 1445). This follows the "of Bickerton" line set out in the post below, and we know that William Walwyn, father of Alice & husband of Elizabeth Lanks & son of William & Elizabeth/Joan, was "of Bickerton" as stated by CP in its description of Alice's daughter Isabel:

    mvernonconno... AT yahoo.co.uk Jul 1, 12:07 pm

    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    From: mvernonconno... AT yahoo.co.uk
    Date: 1 Jul 2005 09:07:21 -0700
    Local: Fri,Jul 1 2005 12:07 pm
    Subject: Re: Greyndour ancestry for Alice Walwyn, per VCH-Glouc.

    Jim,

    I have only just sat down to look at this thread but can provide another lead, albeit only vaguely. There is an article covering these lines, but as always I'm in a different country from my notes and it's 5 years or so since I consulted it- it must be in the transactions of the Bristol & Gloucester arch. soc. and be called something like the manors of Dene Magna and Abenhall. Maybe someone else here can say which vol. it's in- if Frank Baynham is reading he may well know the one I mean.

    >From what I have written down and to hand, you have it all pretty much

    as this article did, but they name the daughter of Sir John Greyndour and wife of William Walwyn senior of Bickerton as Johanna, a third possible name for you! Without knowing the article's sources it's impossible to comment further on that issue. But I am perplexed now to see that I have her dates written down as c.1422-1461, as her father was dead in 1416! Also I have 1422 down as birth year of Thomas Baynham, which would make him the same age as his wife's grandmother. It's obvious that there is a mistake here but I don't know if it's in the article or my transcription (no doubt the latter).

    I've collected a bit about the Walwyn family as I have a more recent descent from them. Thomas Walwyn who d.1415 had both a son and a brother called William (they are each mentioned in his will); the brother is identified in the Walwyn pedigree in Duncombe's Hereford as being the William of Bickerton who married Joanna Greyndour (it gives their son William d.1470, m. Elizabeth dau William Lanks, and had Alice d.1518 m. Thomas Baynham d.1500, with issue). The William who was son of Thomas Walwyn was of 'Longworth' (usually Longford). According to BLG he was b.c1390, m. Jane/Joan dau. Sir Thomas Whitney, and d.1440. However, it is still possible that they may have been confused over time and swapped some details- the chronology may give a clue. Thomas Walwyn and Sir John Greyndour do seem to have been almost exact (within 10 years) contemporaries and the article I mentioned gives Greyndour's second wife Isabella as mother of Johanna; this would seem to favour William the son as more likely chronologically, unless William the brother was on a later marriage to a younger woman (although she was not then an heiress). Thomas Walwyn (d.1415) may be found in HoP, House of Commons 1386-1421, vol iv pp.765-6; Sir John Greyndour is also in that series but I don't have a copy of his entry. These provide abundant references. (There is no mention of Bickerton in Thomas' holdings therein.)

    Hope this helps, and happy holiday

    Matthew




    Father: William WALWYN , of Ruardean b: ABT 1390 in Bickerton Manor, Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England
    Mother: Elizabeth (Joanna\Joan) GREYNDOUR b: ABT 1395 in Clearwell Manor, Newland, Gloucestershire, England

    Marriage 1 Elizabeth LANKS b: ABT 1425
      Children
      1. Has Children Alice WALWYN , Heiress of Abenhall & Clearwell b: ABT 1450 in Abenhall, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Douglas Richardson, 1 Feb 2004
        Text: William Walsyn, father of Alice
      2. Title: Visitation of Gloucestershire 1623, The Harleian Society, online at www.uk-genealogy.org.uk, Nigel Batty-Smith editor
        Page: 14
        Text: Thomas or William Walwyn, father of Alice
      3. Title: Victoria County History of Gloucester, Volume V, 1996, online at www.british-history.ac.uk
        Page: Ruardean
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