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  • ID: I02736
  • Name: Beatrice de Vallibus de VAUX 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Beatrice de /Valle/
  • Birth: ABT 1160 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England
  • Death: 24 MAR 1216/17 in Stoke, Devon, England 5
  • Note:
    The following information was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

    Beatrice de Valle (or Vaux), wife of William Briwerre, was almost certainly the daughter of Hubert de Vaux, baron of Gilsland (see ID 20718?), Cumberland, by his wife, Grace.

    The evidence for this is slim but compelling. Beatrice had property in Devonshire as her maritagium. The early history of this property is shrouded.

    However, Hubert de Vaux is known to have owned property in Devonshire, and probably lived there during part of his life. Beatrice de Valle had a daughter Grace Briwerre who I presume was named for her mother, Grace de Vaux. Grace was rather rare as a woman's name in that period. I have proven that William Briwerre acquired property from one of Beatrice's Vaux brothers and I have proven that William Briwerre was involved in a suit with the widow of another brother. If nothing else, this proves that the two families knew each other well.

    I should also note that Beatrice de Valle was almost certainly the mother of Henry Fitz Count, bastard son of Reginald, Earl of Cornwall. This is indicated by two successive charters which unfortunately I don't have in hand. In these two charters, Henry Fitz Count makes a gift to some religious house and in the next charter, Beatrice's Briwerre son refers back to his "brother" without naming him, as if the parties understood who he meant. This would only make sense if the two charters were recorded at the same time and if Henry Fitz Count was the "brother" named by Beatrice's Briwerre son. The charters are published in Monasticon Exoniensis.

    The name Vaux, by the way, was usually written in Latin as Vallibus but I have seen it on rare occasions as Valle. Beatrice's maiden name is given as Valle in one charter I have seen. [Ref: Douglas Richardson 25 Jan 1999 message to soc.genealogy.medieval]

    Research note: numerous listings on Rootsweb Worldconnect show the above Reginald (de Dunstanville), Earl of Cornwall (bastard son of Henry I by Sybil Corbet) as Beatrice de Valle/Vaux's father & Beatrice Mortaigne/Mortain or Beatrice fitzRichard as her mother, but sources are lacking... Curt

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Herbert de VAUX , Sir b: ABT 1142 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England
    Mother: Grace b: ABT 1143

    Marriage 1 Reynold de DUNSTANVILLE , 1st Earl of Cornwall b: ABT 1110 in Denestanville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
    • Married: BEF 1174 in No Marriage 6
    Children
    1. Has No Children Henry FITZCOUNT , Earl of Cornwall b: BEF 1175 in Cornwall, England

    Marriage 2 William de BRIWERE , of Torre & Horsley b: ABT 1145 in Torre Brewer Manor, Tormoham, Devon, England
    • Married: 1175 in 2nd husband
    Children
    1. Has Children Isabel de BRIWERE b: ABT 1180 in Stoke, Devon, England
    2. Has Children Grecia (Grace) de BRIWERE b: ABT 1181 in Stoke, Devon, England
    3. Has Children Hawise de BRIWERE b: ABT 1182 in Horsley, Belper, Derbyshire, England
    4. Has Children Marjorie (Margaret) de BRIWERE b: ABT 1183 in Stoke, Devon, England
    5. Has Children Alice de BRIWERE b: ABT 1187 in Torre, Devon, England
    6. Has Children Joan de BRIWERE b: 1190 in Stoke, Devon, England

    Sources:
    1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 164
    2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 177-7, 143-27
      Text: mother of Grace. 143-27 indicates that de valle & de vaux are the same person.
    3. Title: Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999
      Page: 153a-5
    4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: I:22
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: James Dow Allen, 4 Nov 2001
      Text: c. 1216
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Douglas Richardson, 25 Jan 1999
      Text: no date, but before her marriage
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