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  • ID: I02625
  • Name: Hildegarde of FLANDERS 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Hildegarde de /Gand/
  • Birth: ABT 938 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium
  • Death: 10 APR 990 2
  • Note:
    Turton names her Hildegarde de Gand, daughter of Wichmann Comte de Gand, fl. c. 949.

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    I originally had Hildegarde de Flanders m. Wichman, Count de Gand, and their daughter Hildegarde de Gand m. Dietrich. According to sources quoted by Curt, below, Hildegarde de Gand & Hildegarde de Flanders are one and the same person; so I have changed Hildegarde to be daughter of Arnold Count of Flanders. Todd Farmerie in a post to SGM, 13 Mar 2001, stated that it was Luitgarde of Flanders, another daughter of Arnold Count of Flanders who married Wichmann.

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    Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:

    Hi Jim,
    ES II:5 lists b. ca 934.
    ES II:2, 5 lists d. 10 Apr 990 & Moriarty lists 990.

    ES II:2 makes her the daughter of Arnold I Count of Flanders (not granddaughter).
    Moriarty p55 "perhaps dau of Arnulf I Count of Flanders"
    Todd A. Farmerie in a message to Gen-Medieval 13 Mar 2001: mother unk, not Adele of Vermandois

    A somewhat new, very worthwhile website by Stewart Baldwin is the Henry Project at:
    http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/henry.htm
    which states:
    No direct evidence is known for the suggestion that Hildegard was Arnulf's daughter. However, the onomastic evidence for such an affiliation is strong, given that Hildegard had sons named Arnulf and Egbert, the latter of which is an Anglo-Saxon name that had only been recently introduced into the family of Flemish counts through Arnulf's mother. However, chronological considerations make it highly unlikely that Hildegard was born late enough to be a daughter of Adele of Vermandois. Since the chronology leaves plenty of room for an earlier marriage of Arnulf (who was probably in his 40's when he married Adele), it is most likely that Hildegard was born to an earlier marriage. [Ref: Erich Brandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen, Frankfurt, 1964, 91-2; = Karl Ferdinand Werner, 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große 4 (1967), 69-70




    Father: Arnold I Count of FLANDERS b: ABT 890 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium
    Mother: Alix de VERMANDOIS b: ABT 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

    Marriage 1 Dietrich II Count of HOLLAND b: 938 in Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands
      Children
      1. Has Children Arnulph Count of HOLLAND b: ABT 965 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium

      Sources:
      1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 20
        Text: Hildegarde de Gand
      2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Ed Mann, 4 Jan 2001
      3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Todd A. Farmerie, 13 Mar 2001
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