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  • ID: I02415
  • Name: Baudouin VI Count (I of Hainault) of FLANDERS 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Baldwin VI Count of /Flanders/
  • Birth: 1030 in Flanders now Belgium 5
  • Death: 7 JUL 1070 in Abbey of Hasnon, Belgium 6 7
  • Note:
    The following is a post to SGM, 15 Jan 2004, by Peter Stewart, showing that Baudouin had captured Hainault & Richilde's hand through an invasion (I have added an "n" to "FitzOsber" in the subject line, since I was responsible for the misspelling in the first place):

    From: Peter Stewart (p_m_stewart AT msn.com)
    Subject: Re: Richilde, wife of William FitzOsbern, Earl of Hereford
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2004-01-15 00:52:54 PST

    My memory was right for a change - according to 'Annales Elnonenses'_ [in _Les annales de Saint-Pierre de Gand et de Saint-Amand_, edited by Philip Grierson (Brussels, 1937)] under 1050 (actually 1051): "Balduinus interim iunior, Adele filius, consensu patris accepta illicite uxore, castellum Monz obtinuit, post pasca. Nam eo anno in kalendis Aprilis pasca Domini fuit" (Meanwhile Balduin the younger, son of Adela, took an unlawful bride with his father's consent, obtained the castle of Mons, after Easter. In that year Easter fell on 31 March). NB in MGH SS V p 13 Pertz had read "illicite" as "Iudita", and Richilde has been given Judith as a second or alternative name by some historians; but Grierson with the advantage of ultra-violet light was able to correct the word.

    This statement of the Elnon annals is interesting for several reasons. First, the mention of obtaining Mons in the same sentence as the marriage possibly accounts for the idea that Richilde may have been daughter of Regnier, count of Mons, as in CP. However, annals kept at Lobbes and Liège appear to put a different spin on this [see 'Annales Laubienses' and 'Annales Leodienses' edited by Gerog Heinrich Pertz in MGH SS IV p 20, parallel texts under 1051, respectively: "Balduinus cum filio suo Balduino rebellat, invaso Haino" and "Balduinus cum Balduino filio suo rebellat, invaso Monte Castriloci" (Balduin rebelled with his son Balduin [the younger], by invading Hainaut/Mons). 'Annales Elmarenses' (edited by Philip Grierson, op cit p 92) add, under 1052: "Ricild, vidua Hermanni comitis, recepit in castrum Montensum Baldwinum iuvenem comitem" (Richilde, widow of Count Hermann, submitted to Count Balduin the younger in Mons castle). There seems little reason to conclude that this was any more than the place where they encountered each other & likely were married straight away, one of the strongholds of the county Richilde was ruling after her first husband's death.

    Secondly, there is no mention in the local annals of any relationship between Richilde and Pope Leo (Bruno of Egisheim), despite the very next entry in 'Annales Elmarenses' recording his death. The counts of Flanders had made a practice of marrying well-connected ladies, and a niece of the reigning pope would surely have been an addition to their family prestige that the local monks might have felt especially noteworthy. I'm inclined to disagree on this point with Thierry, and think Pirenne was probably closer to the mark about a stretched interpretation of "avunculus" than was Vanderkindere in making this relationship immediate.

    Peter Stewart

    Note: The last paragraph involves the controversy over Richilde's ancestry. Thierry Stasser (and many other sources including CP & AR) have Richilde as a daughter of a brother/sister of Pope Leo IX (who was born Bruno Egisheim, son of Hugo/Hugh Count of Egisheim. However Pirenne (above) says the relationship with Leo IX came through Richilde's 1st husband Herman's maternal grandmother, who was sister of Leo IX's mother; and that Richilde is descended from some other line. Richilde is referred to as niece of Leo IX in several documents, but it is "possible" that the relationship was less close & not even a blood relationship.




    Father: Baudouin V Count of FLANDERS b: 1012 in Flanders, France
    Mother: Adele (Adela\Aelis\Alais) Princess of FRANCE b: ABT 1013 in France

    Marriage 1 Richilde Countess von EGISHEIM b: ABT 1030 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France
    • Married: 1051 in 2nd husband 8 4
    • Married: ABT 1055 in 2nd husband 5 9
    Children
    1. Has Children Baudouin II Count of HAINAULT b: 1056 in Hainault, Belgium

    Sources:
    1. Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on
      Page: Hainaut, Robert I of Flanders, Baldwin V
    2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 106-22
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:448
    4. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 19
    5. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 163-23
    6. Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on
      Page: Hainaut
    7. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 19
      Text: 1070
    8. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Thierry Stasser, 11 Jan 2004
    9. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:448
      Text: no date, 2nd husband
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