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  • ID: I02308
  • Name: Adele of HOLLAND 1
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Ada de /Gant/
  • Name: Adele of GHENT
  • Birth: ABT 985 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium 2
  • Note:
    Many sources have Adele as mother of Hugues/Hugh II Comte de Ponthieu. However this is impossible if she married Enguerrand in or after 1033 when her first husband Baudouin Comte de Boulogne died. There is some doubt as to the sequence of events as the following excerpt of a post to SGM, 14 Nov 1998, by Leo van de Pas, illustrates:

    According to Genealogie der Graven van Holland, by Dr. AWE Dek, page 12. Arnulf 'may' have had a daughter named Aleida,and this Aleida was married to Engelram I Count of Pontieu who died circa 1045. As footnote this books refers to: For this family see C. Brunel, Recueil des Actes des comtes de Ponthieu, Paris 1930.

    Now comes the interesting bit, Schwennicke Volume III/4 page 635. Enguerrand I de Ponthieu married Adeliva, widow of Baudouin Comte de Boulogne, and Adeliva is POSSIBLY daughter of Arnulf van Friesland. That sounds positive until you get hold of page 621 of the same book, the page covering the Counts of Boulogne. There is no mention of a Baudouin/Balduin who married an Adeliva........




    Father: Arnulph Count of HOLLAND b: ABT 965 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium
    Mother: Luitgarde of LUXEMBOURG b: ABT 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany

    Marriage 1 Baudouin II Comte de BOULOGNE b: ABT 976 in Boulogne-sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-de-Calais, France
    • Married: in 1st husband 3
    Children
    1. Has Children Eustace I Count of BOULOGNE b: ABT 1004 in Boulogne-sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-de-Calais, France

    Marriage 2 Enguerrand I Comte de PONTHIEU b: ABT 979 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-de-Calais, France
    • Married: AFT 1033 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Piers (Peter) de VALOGNES , Sheriff b: AFT 1033 in Valognes, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 13, 105
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Ed Mann, 4 Jan 2001
      Text: Adele of Ghent
    3. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 105
    4. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 13
      Text: date implied by death of 1st husb.
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