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  • ID: I02144
  • Name: Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) d' ANJOU 1 2 3 4
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: ABT 942 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 5
  • Death: 1026 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France 6
  • Note:
    The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

    From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie AT interfold.com)
    Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
    Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
    Date: 2000/07/30

    TatjanaAV wrote:
    >
    > >Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname. She is better known as
    > >Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of
    > >France, and William of Provence.
    >
    > So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this
    > in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all
    > (Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde
    > de Rouergue).

    Yes. This was only recently rediscovered. There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond". The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond. These make it evident that a reworking is in order.

    > When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when
    > she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947.

    I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted. As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons. A more recent guess is about 975.

    > Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)?

    Stasser gives her the following:

    by Etienne de Brioude:
    1. Pons de Gevaudan
    2. Bertrand de Brioude
    3. Etienne de Brioude
    4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
    5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

    by Raymond:
    6. Guillaume Taillefer
    7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
    8?. Letgarde

    by Guillaume II of Provence:
    9. Guillaume III
    10. Constance, Queen of France

    taf




    Father: Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' ANJOU b: ABT 909 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France
    Mother: Gerberga de GATINAIS b: 915 in Gastins, Seine-et-Marne, Ile-de-France, France

    Marriage 1 Etienne II de BRIOUDE b: ABT 940 in Brioude, Haute-Loire, Auvergne, France
    • Married: in 1st husband 2
    Children
    1. Has Children Pons de GEVAUDAN b: ABT 970 in Gevaudan, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, Provence, France

    Marriage 2 Raymond V Taillefer Count of TOULOUSE b: 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France
    • Married: ABT 972 in 2nd husband 7
    Children
    1. Has Children Adelaide (Tota) of TOULOUSE b: ABT 972 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France
    2. Has Children William III Taillefer Count of TOULOUSE b: ABT 975 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France
    3. Has Children Bertrand de TOULOUSE , Comte de Forcalquier b: ABT 985 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France

    Marriage 3 Louis V "The Do-Nothing" King of FRANCE b: 967 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France
    • Married: 982 in 3rd husband - divorced 984 8

    Marriage 4 William II Count of Arles & PROVENCE b: 950 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France
    • Married: AFT 984 in 4th husband 2nd wife 9
    • Married: 975 in 1st wife 10
    Children
    1. Has Children William III Count of Arles & PROVENCE b: ABT 985 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France
    2. Has Children Constance of PROVENCE b: ABT 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France
    3. Has Children Odile de PROVENCE b: ABT 987 in Arles, Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 136-21, 141a-20, 53-21, 101-21
    2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Todd A. Farmerie, 30 Jul 2000
    3. Title: Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on
      Page: Louis V
      Text: Adelaide, widow of an Aquitanian count.
    4. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 14
      Text: Blanche d'Anjou
    5. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Dave Utzinger, 30 Mar 1999
    6. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 141a-20
    7. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Todd A. Farmerie, 30 Jul 2000
      Text: no date, 2nd husb.
    8. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Leo van de Pas, 19 May 2002
    9. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Todd A. Farmerie, 30 Jul 2000
      Text: no date, 4th husb.
    10. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 14
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