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  • ID: I01887
  • Name: John FitzRichard Constable of CHESTER 1 2 3
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: John FitzRichard de /Lacy/, Constable of Chester
  • Birth: ABT 1150 in Halton Castle, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
  • Death: 11 OCT 1190 in Tyre, Palestine 4
  • Note:
    I had John named "de Lacy", which I currently have as his alias. However Douglas Richardson states that he was not known as "de Lacy", although his son adopted the surname. Apparently the Lacy inheritance was not received until 1194.

    From: Douglas Richardson [mailto:royalancestry AT msn.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:13 PM
    To: jim.weber AT nwintl.com
    Subject: Name of John, Constable of Chester

    Dear Jim ~

    The individual below was known as John, Constable of Chester. He doesn't appear to have used a patronymic like his father. If you have to assign him a surname, I recommend you use "de Chester" which was the surname borne by his four sons and at least one grandson. He also never used the surname, Lacy. The Lacy surname was adopted by his son, Roge de Chester, in or after 1194, when Roger obtained the vast Lacy estates by quitclaim from his mother, Aubrey de Lisours.

    DR

    # ID: I01887
    # Name: John FitzRichard de Lacy , Constable of Chester 1 2 3
    # Sex: M
    # Birth: ABT 1150 in Halton Castle, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
    # Death: 11 OCT 1190 in Tyre, Palestine 4
    # Note:

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    When Robert de Lacy dsp in 1193, his half sister, Albreda Lisours (the dau. of his mother, Albrida, by her 2nd husband, Eudo de Lisours), then the wife of Richard Fitz-Eustace, feudal baron of Halton, and constable of Chester, possessed herself of the Barony of Pontefract, and all the other lands of her deceased brother, under pretence of a grant from Henry de Lacy, her 1st husband. By Fitz-Eustace, she had a son, John, who becoming heir to his half uncle, Robert de Lacy, assumed that surname and inherited, as John de Lacy, the Baronies of Halton and Pontefract. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 310, Lacy, Earls of Lincoln]

    The eldest son and heir of his father, Richard Fitz-Eustace, John also became heir to his half uncle, Robert de Lacy, assumed that surname and inherited, as John de Lacy, the Baronies of Halton and Pontefract, with the Constableship of Chester. This feudal chief, who was Lord of Flambro, Baron of Halton, and Constable of Chester, had two sons, Roger, Constable of Chester, and Robert. [John Burke, Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. I, R. Bentley, London, 1834-1838, p. 548, Constable, of Wassand]

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    The surname of Constable was assumed from the office of Constable of Chester, one of the high dignities constituted by Hugh Lupus, and held by this family soon after the Norman Conquest. Robert de Lacy, younger brother of Roger, Constable of Chester, and Baron of Halton, enjoyed the lordship of Flamburgh, by gift of that nobleman, and was s. by his son, Robert Constable. [John Burke, Esq. and John Bernard Burke, Esq., Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, 2nd Edition, Scott, Webster, and Geary, London, 1841, p. 124-5, Constable, of Everingham]

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    Richard Fitz-Eustace, Baron of Halton, and constable of Chester, m. Albreda, dau. and heir of Robert de Lizures, and half-sister of Robert de Lacy, and had issue, John, who assumed the surname of Lacy, and s. his father as constable of Chester. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 121, Clavering, Barons Clavering]




    Father: Richard FitzEustace Lord of CLAVERING , & Halton b: ABT 1127 in Halton Castle, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
    Mother: Albreda "Aubrye" de LISOURS b: ABT 1130 in Sprotbrough, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

    Marriage 1 Alice de VERE b: ABT 1152 in Rayleigh, Rochford, Essex, England
      Children
      1. Has Children Helen de LACY b: ABT 1172 in Halton Castle, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
      2. Has Children Roger de LACY , Constable of Chester b: ABT 1176 in Halton Castle, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
      3. Has Children Alice de LACY , Heiress of Kippax b: ABT 1182 in Kippax, Tedcaster, Yorkshire West Riding, England

      Sources:
      1. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: V:518-9 Note
      2. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
        Page: Chris Phillips, 15 Sep 2000
      3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: X:Appendix J:118
        Text: father of Alice, by Alice de Vere
      4. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: V:518-9 Note
        Text: 1190
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