Name: Agatha de FERRERS 1
Birth: ABT 1169 in Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England
I used to have Agatha de Ferrers as mistress of John, and mother of Joan. She may still be a mistress of John, but apparently not a mother of Joan, as the post to SGM, 16 Nov 2001, by William Addams Reitwiesner, indicates:
From: William Addams Reitwiesner (reitwiesner AT stop.mail-abuse.org)
Subject: Re: Joan of Wales
Date: 2001-11-16 02:08:01 PST
WOOD_CE AT MSN.COM (CE Wood) wrote:
>I posted this in reply to Douglas' original post, but never got an
>answer when things devolved into naming.
>Can someone help me, please?
>I have this in my notes of Joan, and wonder if it is outdated:
>"One source for the speculation that Agatha Ferrers was Joan's mother
>is Sir William Dugdale, in The Baronage of England (1675-6). He states
>his source to be Dr David Powel's History of Wales (1584). Powel's
>work is an enlarged edition of H Lhoyd's translation of The Historie
>of Cambria by the twelfth century Saint Caradoc of Llancarfan."
>Is Clemence now regarded as Joan's mother, rather than Agatha?
The identity of Joan's mother is unknown. Agatha Ferrers is a nice guess, but is unsupported by contemporary evidence. The only time Joan's mother is mentioned by name is in the Tewkesbury Annals, where she is called "Queen Clementia". Is this a different name for Agatha Ferrers? Possibly, but not likely.
Should you take "Agatha Ferrers" out of your charts? Probably. What I would do is replace her with "Clementia, otherwise unidentified", and include a large footnote with all of the speculative identities for her, including Agatha Ferrers. Doug Richardson, taking "Clementia" as a name and not an epithet, has come up with some plausible, but not conclusive, evidence of who she might be (see other recent threads in this group).
If you want a definitive answer for who Joan's mother was, I don't think you'll get one any time soon.
Father: William de FERRERS , 3rd Earl of Derby b: ABT 1140 in Tutbury, Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England
Mother: Sybil de BRAOSE b: ABT 1150 in Bramber, Sussex, England
John I "Lackland" Plantagenet King of ENGLAND b: 24 DEC 1166 in Kings Manor House, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
- Isabel FITZROY b: ABT 1186
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