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  • ID: I01016
  • Name: Ermengarde de MACON 1
  • Sex: F
  • Name: Ermengarde of BAR , (a mistake) 2
  • Name: Ermengarde de BAR-SUR-SEINE , (a mistake) 3
  • Birth: ABT 972 in Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 4
  • Death: AFT 1018 1
  • Death: AFT 1035 4
  • Note:
    Note: AR has Herbert III de Vermandois as her 2nd husband, but the noted French genealogist Settipani has Herbert as her 1st husband and Milo IV as her 2nd. The sourced dates seem to work better following AR (which is why I am leaving them alone); however, if Settipani is correct (and he is an expert), then Herbert III would have died before 992 (Settipani has Ermengarde's son by Milo, Renaud b. abt 993), and Herbert & Ermengarde's son Otto would have been born before 992/3 instead of about 1000.

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    This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

    The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

    The family of Ermengardis (no 5), widow of Herbert, not the reverse, is not Bar-sur-Seine (one misunderstanding hypothesis of E. Petit: such a dynasty does not exist at this time). She was, I think, the daughter of Alberic II of Macon and his second wife.




    Father: Alberic II Count of MACON , & Salins b: ABT 948 in Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France
    Mother: Ermentrude (Irmgard) de ROUCY b: ABT 948 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France

    Marriage 1 Milo IV Comte de TONNERRE b: ABT 960 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France
    • Married: in 1st husband
    Children
    1. Has Children Renhard II (Renaud) Comte de TONNERRE b: ABT 993 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France

    Marriage 2 Herbert III Count of VERMANDOIS b: ABT 955 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France
    • Married: AFT 998 in 2nd husband 5 6
    Children
    1. Has Children Otho Count of VERMANDOIS b: ABT 1000 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Settipani, 5 Dec 1998
    2. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 50-20
      Text: Ermengarde of Bar (according to Settipani, a mistake)
    3. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Ed Mann, 15 Jun 1998
      Text: following Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (according to Settipani, a mistake)
    4. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Ed Mann, 15 Jun 1998
    5. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 50-20
      Text: no date, 2nd husb
    6. Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
      Page: Settipani, 5 Dec 1998
      Text: 1st husband
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