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  • ID: I00835
  • Name: Baudouin III of FLANDERS 1
  • Sex: M
  • ALIA: Baldwin III Count of /Flanders/
  • Birth: ABT 935 in Flanders, France
  • Death: 1 JAN 961/62 in (dvp) 1
  • Note:
    The following information (and advice) is contained in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT

    Hie thee to Stewart Baldwin's "Henry Project" for scholarly research on this person (& much more):

    Baldwin III ruled briefly as joint count with his father Arnulf I, but died before his father. Count Baldwin's name appears in lists of abbots of St. Bertin [Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series, 13, 391, 607], and he would appear to have held that office for a short period before his death. [Ref: Henry Project]

    Possible illegitimate son (status uncertain):
    Ascelin (Azelin) or Albert de Tronchiennes, bishop of Paris, 1016-1018.
    The History of the Bishops of Cambrai states that Ascelin (or Albert, as he is called in some sources) was an illegitimate son of count Baldwin of Flanders. [Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium, MGH SS 7, 448]. If this is accurate, Baldwin III would be the only count of Flanders named Baldwin who would make a chronologically feasible father for Ascelin. [Léon Vanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981) 1, 293], lists Ascelin as a son of Baldwin, without citing a source, but neither Erich Brandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (Frankfurt, 1964) norKarl Ferdinand Werner, 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große 4 (1967) mention him. His biography in Dictionnaire de Biographie Française 3, 1238-40 states that he was very probably the son of Arnulf I, and then contradicts this statement by calling Arnulf II a brother of Ascelin. The DBF article makes Ascelin a provost of the monastery of Saint-Marie in Tronchiennes as early as 951, which, if true, would chronologically rule out Ascelin's affiliation as a son of Baldwin III. However, this date is suspicious, as it is 65 years before Ascelin became bishop, and the next event mentioned in the biography is in 995. [Ref: Henry Project]

    Falsely attributed daughters:
    Bertha (existence doubtful), m. Aymar, count of Genève (existence doubtful). [P. Anselme, Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de la Maison Royale de France, ... (1726), 2, 715. She has also been falsely attached to Baldwin's father Arnulf I.]

    Jeanne, mother of Wolbodo, bishop of Liège. [Léon Vanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981), 1, 293, citing Meyer, Rerum Flandr., 67, with a remark that the attribution is in error] [Ref: Henry Project]


    Father: Arnold I Count of FLANDERS b: ABT 890 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium
    Mother: Alix de VERMANDOIS b: ABT 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

    Marriage 1 Mathilde (Maud) BILLUNG , of Saxony b: ABT 942 in Saxony, Germany
    • Married: 961 in 1st husband 2
    1. Has Children Arnold II Count of FLANDERS b: DEC 961 in Flanders, France
    2. Has Children Jean de CONTEVILLE , Vicomte de Comyn b: ABT 962 in of Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France

    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 162-19
    2. Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas),
      Page: Mathilde of Saxony
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