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  • ID: I00380
  • Name: Sprota (Sporta) de SENLIS 1 2 3
  • Sex: F
  • ALIA: Espriota de /Bretagne/
  • Name: Sprota de ST. LIS
  • Birth: ABT 911 in Bretagne, France
  • Death: ABT 972
  • Note:
    Curt Hofemann, in a post-em, indicates many people have doubts about Sprota's noble birth:

    Sprota [Ref: ES III:694A] note: I have numerous notes on her (lack of) ancestry which I think I've previously provided. If I've not, let me know & I will gladly share them... Curt

    Raoul/Rudolf/Ralph, count of Ivry, is the uterine brother of Richard I of Normandy, son of William. ("This was given by Dudo based on information supplied to him by Raoul himself, so is perfectly reliable", as Todd's mentioned.) But my understanding has always been that Raoul was the son of Sprota/Esporta de Bretagne/Senlis not by William Longsword but by Asperling/Esperlingus/Eperling. [Ref: Christopher Nash message to Gen-Medieval 15 Apr 2002 discussing an error in KSB Keats-Rohan's Domesday People. TAF (Todd A Farmerie) in response confirmed the above] note: she was NOT de Senlis and as far as "de Bretagne" see below... Curt

    While this speculation is certainly possible, the alternative is likewise possible, that being that she was just some cute looking Breton peasant that William took a liking to. That, however, provides no opportunity for further genealogical research, so tends to pale in comparison to the possibility of attaching her to some noble house. My gut reaction is that, considering her son Ralph (d'Ivry) was one of the main sources of the norman historian Dudo, yet no such important connection was mentioned, she likely did not have any hereditary recomendations (sic) when chosen by Longsword. [Ref: TAF 9 Dec 2002]

    Regards,
    Curt




    Father: Hubert Comte de SENLIS b: ABT 880 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France

    Marriage 1 William I "Longsword" Duke of NORMANDY b: ABT 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
    • Married: AFT 930 in 1st wife (Danish wife/Non Christian Marriage) 4
    Children
    1. Has Children Richard I "The Fearless" Duke of NORMANDY b: 28 AUG 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France
    2. Has Children daughter de NORMANDY b: ABT 940 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France

    Marriage 2 Asperling de VAUDREUIL b: ABT 911 in Le Vaudreuil, Eure, Normandy, France
    • Married: AFT 942 in 2nd husband
    Children
    1. Has Children Ralph (Raoul) Comte d' IVRY b: ABT 945 in Le Vaudreuil, Eure, Normandy, France

    Sources:
    1. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 121e-19
      Text: Sprota (Danish wife of William I of Normandy), a Breton (no last name)
    2. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
      Page: 6, 100
      Text: Sporta de Senlis
    3. Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      Page: VI:447 (g)
      Text: not named but implied as mother of Richard I & Ralph d'Ivry
    4. Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
      Page: 121e-19
      Text: no date, 1st wife (930 would coincide with William's conquest of Brittany when Sprota was probably taken
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