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  • ID: I04574
  • Name: Christ. Wil. Fried. (Kummernuss) COBERNUSS
  • Sex: M
  • Birth: 20 JUL 1849 in Levitzow, Thuerkow, Meck-Vpr, Ger. 1 2
  • Death: 21 NOV 1924 in Highland Park (Detroit), Wayne, MI 3
  • Burial: Forest Lawn Cemetery - Detroit, Wayne, MI
  • Occupation: Dairyman
  • Change Date: 13 JAN 2002
  • Reference Number: 2762
  • Note:
    Germans to America lists a Christian Cobernus (b. 1849) andSophie(b.1847)as passengers on t h e "Lessing" Hamburg-NY11.16.1882.Travelingwith themare Heinrich (b. 1860, Age 22 Maybe y o ungerbrother), WIlhelm (b. 1874,Age 8) and Hennin or Henry (b. 1877, Age 5).Heinrich is obv i ously notson of Christian & Sophia, could be brother orcousin. Henning isMaybe the Hen r y of the Lessing voyage, and Anna,and Carolina were bornin 1883 and 1885 after the family a r rival.

    Christin Cobernuss Maybe dropped the last "S" later as did Friederich

    From MI 1900 Census Soundex V86, 189, 31, 217
    Wayne Co, Hamtamch Twp (Sp) , Highland Park

    Christian Cobarnos (sp) Age 50, b. Jul 1849, Germany
    Sophia Cobarnos Age 53, b Apr 1847, Germany
    Henry, Cobarnos, Age 23, b. Jan 1877 Germany
    Anna, Cobarnos, Age 16, b. Sept 1883, MI (Dau (born after arrival)
    Carolina, Age 14, b. Sept 1885, MI (Dau) (born after arrival

    Addresses:Christian shows up in Detroit Directory the year after arrival.

    1883 Cobernuss Christian Laborer 771 Grand River Ave
    1893 Cobernuss Christ. J. Milk peddler Glendale3Wof12thDetroit Dir
    1895 Cobernuss Christ. J. Dairy Glendale,1Eof18thDetroit
    1897 Cobernuss Chris. J. Dairyman 358 MottAve(ChangedtoWestminster ?)
    1898 Cobernus Christian Dairy SW for Oakland & WestminsterAve
    1899 Cobernus Christian Dairyman 358 Westminster Ave Detroit
    1900 Cobernus Christian Detroit Census

    COBERNUSS, CHRISTIAN J. (b: July 1849) in Germany
    . +Sophia NMN Cobernuss b: April 1847 in Germany
    ....... 2 Wilhelm Cobernuss b: Abt. 1874
    ....... 2 Heinrich F. Cobernuss b: January 1877 in Germany
    ........... +Mary Cobernus b: Abt. 1882 in Germany
    ....... 2 Anna Cobernuss b: September 1883 in MI
    ....... 2 Carolina Cobernuss b: September 1885 in MI

    Note: Ship "Lessing" Hamburg--New York 29.10.1882-16.11.1882BirthplaceMatgendo r f , Mecklenb urg. Source: "GermanstoAmerica" Vol45,pg 1-3. LDS0472919. This family sh o w s u p in the1900 DetroitCensuswith twoadditional Children (Anna and Carolina) bornaftera r r ival."Henning (b. 1887)" is Maybe Henry (b. 1870) whoappearsintheDetroit Directo r y u ntil the early 1900's . NosubsequentrecordofWilhelm and the two daughters.Fami l y live d v eryclosetoFrederickJ. C obernuss (later Cobernus) in theDetroitarea.Friederic k had s am eprofession - dairyman as Ch ristian.AWilliamCobernus(1894-1943)shows up in Mich i g a n Social Securitydata.Grandsonof ei therChristianor Friederick ?

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    Good Morning George,

    Christian and Sophia had Anna 9/18/1883 born in Greenfield Twp , shemetJohn W. Shulert at E a stern Market and they were married. This is onedateI am looking for. Anna was John's seco n d wife. She helped raisetheChildren from his first marriage. ( 10 in all) but I will only p a ssoninformation on Anna's Children.
    Children:
    Hazel Sophia born : need date
    married Art Lewis born 1894 died: 1981

    Beatrice born: need date Beatrice had epilepsy
    never married

    Dorothy Edith Lena born 10-24-1912 died 1-7-2000 ( my Grandmother)
    married Charles E. Flury born 1907 died 1965 date of wed:12-12-1929

    Elmer Born: need date died as a child

    Nellie Eva born 11-9-1918 still living
    married : Frank Gaymer Born 2-12-1914 died 1963
    2) married Clayton Riley still living
    Ester born: need date died at 2 1/2 years old ---fell offa table

    My mother remembers an Aunt Carrie----this was Aunt Carolina. Also IfeelAnna was born in Fr i ederich's home. This is all I have till nextweek..

    Heidi Lemanski
    1084 Red Barn Dr.
    Oxford, Mi 48371
    (248) 969-0959
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    CHRISTOPHER (Christian?) COBERNUSS Maybe Detroit, Wayne, MichiganmarriedElizabeth Maybe D etroit, W ayne, MI
    Detroit Addresses

    1912 Cobernus Christopher Laborer 46 Lenox Ave
    1913 Cobernus Christopher Laborer 45 Lenox Ave
    1915 Cobernus Christopher laborer 327 Florence
    1916 Cobernus Christopher Laborer 321 Florence
    1925 Cobernus Elizabeth (Wid Christopher) 321 Florence Ave HP

    Note: May actually be Christian Cobernus?, Elisabeth is secondwifemarried between 1921-23?
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    16 April 2001

    Heidi,

    I spend last week going over the Thuerkow parish records and am workingonBelitz this week . T hese are the two parishes where your Cobernussfamilylived.

    Also, the two children that travelled with Christian and Sophia Engelwerenamed and "Wilh" a g e 8 (b. 1875) and "Henry" age five (b. 1877) .I'vealways been bothered because I could no t m atch these two childrenupexactly with your records. However I now think I have it figur e out .

    I looked again at the Belitz church records and confirmed thatChristinand Sophia had two c h ildren in the the village of Matgendorf.

    The first child born to Sophia was Ida Friederike Johanna born 16April1874. The father wa s n ot mentioned in the original record, butsomeonelater entered in the name of the father i n pe ncil as"ChristianCobernuss". I believe this must be the Edith (Ida) born about1874 fro myou r records. She would have been about 8 years old when herparentsimmigrated in 1882. I to ok a nother look at the passenger recordand the 8year old male child's name appears to be "Wi lh" . However thereis alittle check mark in the female box indicating that maybe there wasan erro r made when the manifest was prepared. This must be Ida.

    Christian and Sophia were married 16 April 1875 in Belitz and theirsecondchild Heinrich Ca r l Ludwig Fritz Jochim was born 31 Jan 1876. Hewouldhave been about 5 or 6 when his paren t s immigrated.

    Bottom Line: I think we've accounted for the two children on the1882voyage. Although the pa s senger records are pretty accurate, I'vefoundsimilar name and sex errors for other familie s . "Wilh" isactuallyIda/Edith and Henry's name and Dob matches. (It's possible he wasbor n i n1877 because the birth record says "1876/77" and I might havewritten thewrong year becau s e the two years are on the same page. )

    The first record of your family I have in the US is the 1900census.Henry, Anna and Caroli n a were living with Christian and Sophia.Nomention of (Edith/Ida) because she married Bushw a y in 1894. I'l bet ifwelook for Bushway in the 1900 census we'll find the family. Somethi n gyoumight want to do?


    George
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    Subj:
    Date: 5/26/01 2:06:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    From: h.lemanski@worldnet.att.net (Heidi Lemanski)
    To: george@kobernus.com

    Hi George,

    Went to Forest Lawn Cemetery today. I stood on Christian and Sophia's
    grave. They have no marker. But It was a thrill. I do have news. IsawHenry
    and May Cobernus's grave....Guess what ? It says Conrad Henry Cobernus
    born 1877. Mystery solved. Conrad was Heinrich.

    Have to go, my boys are acting up.

    Heidi




    Father: Friederich Carl Ludwig (Kummernuss) COBERNUSS b: 4 FEB 1822 in Sukow, Joerdenstorf, Meck-Vpr, Ger.
    Mother: Louise Elisabeth Georgine Magdaline STRUCK b: ABT 1824 in Maybe Tenze, Thuerkow, Meck-Vpr, Ger.

    Marriage 1 Sophia Friederike Carolina Christina ENGEL b: 8 APR 1846 in Maybe Matgendorf, Belitz, Meck-Vpr, Ger.
    • Married: 16 APR 1875 in Belitz, Belitz, Meck-Vpr, Ger. 4
    • Note: 1 REFN 23375
    Children
    1. Has No Children Wilhelm COBERNUSS b: ABT 1874 in Maybe Matgendorf, Belitz, Meck-Vpr, Ger.
    2. Has Children Edith (Ida) Lena Friederike Johanna COBERNUSS b: 16 AUG 1874 in Matgendorf, Belitz, Meck-Vpr, Ger.
    3. Has No Children Hein (Conrad) Carl Lud. Fritz Joach. COBERNUSS b: 31 JAN 1876 in Belitz, Belitz, Meck-Vpr, Ger.
    4. Has Children Anna Sophia Maria Johanna COBERNUSS b: 18 SEP 1883 in Greenfield Twp (Dearborne), Wayne, MI
    5. Has No Children Carolina (Carrie) COBERNUSS b: SEP 1885 in ,,MI

    Marriage 2 Mary Elizabeth HUZZARD b: ABT 1851
    • Married: BET 1921 AND 1923 in Detroit, Wayne, MI

    Sources:
    1. Title: Church Record - Thuerkow - Birth LDS 0069623
      Note: LDS 0069623

      Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Church Record - Thuerkow - Birth

      NS33693

      ABBR Church Record - Thuerkow - Birth

      NS34313

      ABBR Church Record - Thuerkow - Birth

      Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Church Record - Thuerkow - Birth LDS 0069623

      Source Media Type: Church Record
      Text: P. 44, # 9 Check Teterow for this family. Christian Huebbe (Levitzow), WIlhelm Kummernuss (Teterow), Sophia Konnsier. Date and village of birth given in birth record of child born 16 aug 1874. Pasto r Zander from Teterow performed ceremony. Check Teterow records.
    2. Title: Filby, P. William & Glazier, Ira A - Germans to America 1850-1890
      Note: ABBR Age based on data from passenger record of the Harmonnia in 1873 and the Schwerin permission to emigrte that indicated He

      Source Media Type: Book

      ABBR Passenger record Harmonnia 1873

      NS34283

      ABBR Passenger record Harmonnia 1873

      Source M

      ABBR Passenger record Harmonnia 1873
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Page: Filby: Vol 45, pg 1-3, LDS 0472919,
      Text: Ship "Lessing" Hamburg--New York xx.11.1882 - 16.11.1882
    3. Title: E-Mail - Heidi Lemanski - 19 April 2001
      Note: ABBR E-Mail - Heidi Lemanski - 19 April 2001

      Source Media Type: Book
      Repository:
      Media: Book
      Text: Today I received Christian's Death certificate. It states he was married to
      Wife was Mary E.Huzzard. Date of death November 1st, 1924. Burial Forest Lawn.
    4. Title: Church Record - Belitz - Marriage, LDS 0068991
      Page: p. 135
      Text: Father: Friederich Carl Cobernuss (Levitzow), Father Carl Christoph Heinrich Engel (Matengendorf)
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